HICUZ 94

Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe

	Reminder, your acceptance of this newsletter signifies that you will not use its contents to alter, and thus disrespect in any form or way, the historical religious beliefs, no matter what they were – or were not – of family members mentioned herein. This reminder specifically refers to performing LDS ordinances using any of the data in this or other HICUZ posts. .

 

CORRECTION to data included in HICUZ 93 

In the Tim McCarthy and Jane Mahoney family - their son, Peter, married Mary Cooney at Notre Dame de Montreal, 26 Sept 1826 – thus arvd before 1826. They were in Bytown (now Ottawa) in 1830 where I suspect he was one of the many Irish involved in building the Rideau canal which opened in 1832. This insight courtesy of third cousin Linda Maitland.

Another correction to HICUZ 93 – Relates to the Jean (John) McCarthy who died 26 Dec 1831 in Cap Sante at age 65 (born 1766), Cap Sante Parish, film 1289953, 1812 – 1837. The parish records state this Jean MacKarty was from County Kerry, Ireland. This suggests he was not the John McCarthy who married Mary Carroll – both of whom were from County Cork according to other records.

(HI CUZ 27)  I provided some incorrect Shanaghan family information. By way of introduction, it will be helpful to show which “Irlandais” emigrated to Portneuf County in Quebec together, and when they came, as of that 1842 census. Here’s how it looked across several closely spaced parishes. Listed by number of years present in Canada, as of 1842:

                        Graves’ settlement, Seignory of Neuville, Concessions of St John, St Mary

            21 years – Robert Cameron, from Scotland, family of 9, 1 from Ireland, rest born Canada.

                           Roderick Mullins, gardener from Ireland

            16 years – Denis Shanaghan, 10 in fam, 6 Irish, 5 born Canada, 1 not enum w/ family

                            Stephen Slattery, 8 in fam, 3 born Ireland, 5 born Canada

            15 years – John Lawless, 6 in fam, all born Ireland

                           John McCarthy, 6 in fam, 3 born Ireland, 3 born Canada

                           Michael McCarthy, 5 in fam, 2 born Ireland, 3 born Canada

 Michael Gaffney, 8 in fam, 2 born Ireland, 1 born Canada, 1 not enum w/ family

            12 years – Patrick Burns, 6 in fam, all born Ireland

                           John Rotchford, Ireland, mason

                           Mary Graves, Ireland 

            10 years – Owen Love, 2 in fam, both from Ireland

                           Roger McGahan, 2 in fam, both from Ireland

                           Patrick Slattery, 4 in fam, all from Ireland

                           Charles Cleary, 6 in fam, 3 from Ireland, 3 born Canada

                           Martin Lawlor, 5 in fam, all born Ireland

                           John Cleary, 5 in fam, 3 born Ireland, 2 born Canada

                           David Graham, 3 in fam, 2 born Ireland, 1 born Canada

            9 years – William Shanaghan, 5 in fam, 2 born Ireland, 3 born Canada.

                        Bourg Louis, First Range

            13 years – Cornelius Shanaghan, 9 in family, 3 Irish, 6 born Canada.

                        Graves’ Settlement, Seignory of Neuville, Concession of St Charles

            20 years – William Raisin, 3 in fam, 2 Irish, 1 born Canada

17 years – Denis Duggin, culler of timber, fam of 5, 5 from Ireland

                Thomas Corcoran, 8 in fam, 3 Irish, 5 born Canada

            16 years - Arthur McClintock, 8 in fam, 2 from Ireland, 6 born Canada

            15 years – Richard Driscoll, 7 in family, 3 from Ireland, 4 born Canada

                           James Corcoran, 3 in fam, 2 born Ireland, 2 born Canada, I not enum w/ fam

                           Patrick Love, 10 in fam, 4 born Ireland, 6 born Canada

Notice that Denis and later William Shanaghan settled in the same area, along with two McCarthy families (John and Michael). The years present data suggests the Denis Shanaghan family emigrated to Canada in 1826, while Cornelius’ (still looking for a family connection) emigrated in 1829, and William’s in 1833. I feel that Denis, Cornelius and William Shanaghan may be siblings (note the caution in my statement). As Denis and Catherine left Ireland with four children born there, I doubt they would have left a teenage son (William) behind, and then named a second son William while the first survived. Cornelius and his wife had a child before emigrating from Ireland, so I feel they would want to settle near welcoming family. I don’t think I’m stretching things much. I’ll have to look at commonality of names for the children of these three.

Denis and Catherine Shanaghan had a son John, born 1814 in Ireland, which suggests they married about 1812 to 1813 in Ireland. I am hoping to find records stating their origins and marriage records in Ireland.

A recap of the early data for Dennis and Catherine (McCarthy) Shanaghan family, from Canadian 1831 and 1842 Censuses, @ Cap Sante. In the 1831 census the family consisted of 10 members, with 6 born Ireland, 5 born Canada. One member was not enumerated with the family. I believe that family member to be Michael Shanaghan, born abt 1810/1815 in Ireland, m Alice/Ellen Tracey; he died 18 Aug 1835 (his widow remarried). As of 1842 Census, the family had been in Canada for 16 years, thus had arrived in 1826.

                        Known and suspected family members –

            Michael, b abt 1810/13 Ireland, m Alice/Ellen Tracey abt 1830, prob in Canada;

                        Michael died 18 Aug 1835, his widow remarried

            John, b abt 1812/1813 Ireland, m Ellen Mylar 6 Feb 1844 @ Ste Catherine (My

paternal great grandparents)

            David, b abt 1810/1815 Ireland, godfather to Jane McCarthy, dau of Mary/Daniel

            Julie chr 14 August 1841, Ste Catherine 

            Mary, b abt 1815/1817 Ireland, m Daniel McCarthy 23 Feb 1835 @ Ste

Catherine

            Denis, b abt 1821/23 Ireland, m Anna Cleary  - Denis a trader in 1864

            Margaret, b abt 1824/26 Ireland or Canada, m Denis O’Neill 25 Jun 1844,

                        Notre Dame in Quebec City

            Hannah, b abt 1828/29 Cap Sante, m Michael Cleary abt 1862

            Catherine, b abt 1828/30 Canada, m James McManus 6 June 1848 Notre Dame,

                        Quebec City

            William, b 5 Apr 1831 Cap Sante, m Mary Coughlin William chr 17 Apr 1831,

Cap Sante. FHC film number 1289953, Cap Sante parish records, volume 6

 - 1826-1837

            Bridget/Elizabeth, b abt 1833 Canada, m Alexander McWilliams 9 Apr 1850 Ch

                        of England – present @ wedding, Denis Shanaghan (father or brother?)

In Canadian 1831 census for Fourth Range, Lake St. Joseph (St Raymond)

            Cornelius Shanaghan, five in family (ARRIVAL DATA)

1842 census -

Denis Shanahan, pg 498, line 20. ten in family – in Canada 16 years (arvd

1826). Six born Ireland, five born Bas Canada. One male (5-14); two

females (5-14), one male (14-18); one male (18-21); one male (21-30);

one male (30-60); one female (14-45); three females (14-45).  Owned 180

acres, of which 60 were under cultivation.

Dennis and Catherine Ellen (McCarthy) Shanaghan, my paternal great, great grandparents – arrived there 16 years before, thus family arrived in 1826. The Shanaghan’s lived next to John McCarthy family in the 1831 and 1842 censuses, suggesting family connections through Catherine Ellen (McCarthy) Shanaghan.

Seignory of Bourg Louis, First Range –

            Cornelius Shanahan, pg 499, line 12 - nine in family, three born Ireland; six born

                        Bas Canada; here 13 years (arvd 1829). Owned 90 acres, of which 6 acres

                        were under cultivation. 

Analysis of The Ships List data on ship arrivals to Quebec

Recent review of data available from The Ship List website  http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/index.htm  provides a great store of data now available. Perhaps I missed it on previous research, or it may be new. The data includes substantial background data on maritime history, the perils of travel by sailing ships, and the listing of ships arriving at Quebec early in the 1800s.

Several avenues seem apparent in terms of identifying the ships on which ancestors sailed to the New World. These avenues are listed below in the order of review.

            A.  Names of ship passengers

B.     Destination within Canada (Trois Rivieres, Portneuf, Ste Catherine parish, etc)

C.     Embarkation point (in Ireland)

D.    Dates established by Canadian census data as to possible ancestors arrival

Analysis of the data over the years 1817 through 1829 gave few Aha moments, save the one below.

I have asked the authors of this data for permission to include.

EUREKA!!! – I was surfing TheShips List - and thought I had found possible TREASURE. Check it out http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Arrivals/1824a.shtml. I searched the webpage entries of immigrants from Cork arriving at Quebec in 1824 and found - the brig Albion arrived 6 June 1824 from Cork, under Master Stewart, with "Mr McCharty, brother and wife and family."  I thought this might be John McCarthy and wife Mary Carroll (noted in the 1825 Ste Catherine records (a year later)) with family of six, and a brother. See below in GREEN.

1824
May 29	bark Alfred	Clark	17 April	Cork		to W. Hamilton / in ballast
June 02	ship Æolus	Thomas	09 April	Waterford		to Froste & Co. / in ballast
June 02	brig Jane	McGrath	11 April	Waterford	3 settlers	to Sheppard & Campbell / in ballast
June 02	bark Sir James Kempt	Patterson	17 April	Cork	18 settlers	to Sheppard & Campbell / in ballast
June 02	brig George IV	Thomas	12 April	Waterford	17 settlers	to Froste & Co. / cargo, dry goods
June 03	bark John Howard	Smith	10 April	Cork	Mr.& Mrs. Campbell and Servant, Mr. Seymore.	to Campbell & Sheppard / cargo, Wine &c.
June 03	ship Ceres	Doeg	11 April	Waterford	30 settlers	to W. Price / salt &c.
June 03	bark Elizabeth	Charlton	56 days	Cork	Mr. Wright	to order / in ballast
June 03	bark St. Charles	Leslie	03 May	Cork	Mr. Robinson & 30 settlers	to Campbell & Sheppard / in ballast
June 04	ship Nassau	Grosard	47 days	Waterford	11 settlers	to W. Price / cargo, salt
June 04	brig Hewisons	Haddard	17 April	Waterford		to Mr. Jackson / in ballast
June 06	brig Albion	Stewart	25 April	Cork	Mr. McCharty, brother and wife and family	to W.& G. Pemberton / in ballast

I thought a response from a cousin might answer the question of whether this McCharty family might be ancestors, but her response related to a later 1825 voyage of the Albion.

I asked a group of Canadian and American cousins what they thought, and to suggest any ideas for analyzing ship arrival data to identify arriving McCarthy or other ancestors. This instance was the first time I'd seen a familiar name as a passenger. Does the fact that his name is identified perhaps suggest something as to his status? I would expect that our ancestors were working class or perhaps reduced farmers suffering from recent English tax law changes requiring payment in cash, rather than kind.

1826 ship arrivals

The Ships List website indicates that in 1826, as of 1 June of that year, that within the previous 8 days, 85 percent (3000 of the total of 3529) settlers arrived in Quebec. In 1825 2517 settlers arrived in Quebec on 224 ships, while in 1826 a total of 3529 arrived on 232 ships.

Ships arriving in Quebec in 1826 included:

Date arvl         Ship                 date deprtd     port deprtd      # settlers          consigned to   

28 April           bark Trio          25 March         Waterford       28                    Sheppard &

Campbell

15 May            ship Volunteer 29 March         Cork                26                    J. S. Campbell

24 May            brig Wansbeck 13 April          Cork                not shown       H. Cowan

   “                   AEolus            13 April           Waterford       28                    Frost & Co

   “                   City of Waterford  12 April    Waterford       207                     “

27 May            bark Wallsend   23 April         Cork                not shown       not shown

28 May            bark John Howard 20 April    Cork                169                  James

Atkinson

   “                   Argyle             13 April           Waterford       141         William Price & Co

30 May            brig Pacific        15 April         Cork                117                  W. Pentland

   “                   Trafalgar          26 April           Waterford       107                  to order

3 June              bark Thomas       20 April        Cork                241                  J. C. Campbell

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The brig Albion was used in transporting other settlers over a period of years to Quebec for settlement either near Quebec, or further west (Ontario). I found little specific information on the Albion, other it was registered (insured) with Lloyds from 1824.

The Peter Robinson report (see HICUZ 93) provided information on the origins of those who settled out near Ontario. It reflected that those immigrants were recruited from  “the towns of Fermoy, Mitchelstown, Doneraile, Charleville, Newmarket, Kanturk, Mallow and the villages within that circle”  and from other towns “North of the Blackwater River in Cork.”

A question which comes to mind - did our Irish ancestors’ from Cork come from the same region. I expect that if family members had preceded our ancestors, those family members who followed might settle in the same area.

In researching the arrival of our McCarthy’s to Quebec a fascinating family tradition was reported by third cousin Pat Hall. Her email (long ago) said – QUOTE  My records show John McCarthy for the first time in Cap Sante, where he and Mary Carroll were at the marriage of their son, Michael to Catherine Slattery.  It is their descendants that moved on to St-Basile.  Long ago, (and I can't find the document), Gerry Neville explained to me that McCarthy’s showed up in Cap Sante, where they were known as the "Wild Geese".  These settlers were part of a contingent of settlers that had come from France, where they had sought refuge. UNQUOTE

A second email (years ago) from Pat Hall contained more insight/tradition about the Wild Geese and the McCarthy’s. Pat noted – “it is generally held that this McCarthy, Daniel, was one of the “Wild Geese” who fled to France from Ireland in 1691 after the defeat of the Battle of Limerick. It is one of the 130 Irish families in New France before the British Conquest. One of his sons married Ursula Vermette in St Augustin in 1736. No one to date has been able to make any connection between this family and the family of Timothy McCarthy and JaneMahoney.” 

The Flight of the Wild Geese refers to the departure of an Irish Jacobite army under the command of Patrick Sarsfield from Ireland to France, as agreed in the Treaty of Limerick on October 3, 1691, following the end of the Williamite War in Ireland. More broadly, the term "Wild Geese" is used in Irish history to refer to Irish soldiers who left to serve as mercenaries in continental European armies in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries.

Many of the Irish troops in Spanish service returned to Ireland after the Irish Rebellion of 1641 and fought in the armies of Confederate Ireland - a movement of Irish Catholics. When the Confederates were defeated and Ireland occupied after the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, around 34,000 Irish Confederate troops fled the country to seek service in Spain. Some of them later deserted or defected to French service, where the conditions were deemed better. At the time of the Napoleonic Wars there were still three Irish infantry regiments in the Spanish army: Irlanda (raised 1698); Hibernia (1709); and Ultonia (1709). However in the later years of the existence of these units only the officers were Irish or of Irish descent, the men being predominantly Spanish or other foreigners. All three regiments were finally disbanded in 1815.

Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

A Brig has two masts with square sails on both masts.

http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/workington_harrington/nymph.htm

The Albion was a 305 ton snow, 2 years old, Captain J. Mills (Lloyd's Register, Green Book, 1826).

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Lloyd’s Register Group Limited (Reg. no. 08126909) is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered office: 71 Fenchurch Street, London, EC3M 4BS, UK.
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Separate records showed that the Albion was sailing from Britain to Quebec before 1823.

On the question of how these immigrants traveled from Quebec to their homes in the various parishes of St Raymond, Ste Catherine, and St Basile traveled to those parishes from Quebec City, do you believe they went by ship to Cap Sante, then on to their parishes, or did they travel overland?  Fourth cousin Yves Marcotte he suggests “they were traveling overland. Very bad road conditions: narrow footpaths; fording river...”

1861 census for St Basile parish, pg 15, line 33 –

            John McCarty, age 50 (born 1811), listed with family members:

            Mary Buckley, age 40 (born 1821)

            John McCarty, age 24, born Canada 1837

            Jeremiah McCarty, age 22, born Canada 1839

            Michael McCarty, age 20, born Canada 1841

            Mary McCarty, age 18, born Canada 1843

            James McCarty, age 16, born Canada 1845

            Dennis McCarty, age 14, born Canada 1847

            Jane McCarty, age 12, born Canada 1849

            William McCarty, age 10, born Canada 1851

            Helene McCarty, age 7, born Canada 1854

            Catherine McCarty, age 5, born Canada 1856

            Joseph McCarty, age 3, born Canada 1858

            Patrick McCarty, age 2, born Canada 1859

1861 census for St Basile parish, pg 16, line 36 –

            Hugent McCartey, age 52, born Ireland (1809), listed with family members:

            John McCartey, age 27, born Canada 1834

            Dennis McCartey, age 25, born Canada 1836

            Margaret McCartey, age 20, born Canada 1841

            Michael McCartey, age 17, born Canada 1844

            Mary McCartey, age 11, born Canada 1850

HICUZ 26 - Shanahan research - Received another helpful and informative e-mail from Yves Marcotte of St Basil, Quebec. He noted that most of St Basil's early settlers bought their land concessions from a rich tobacco merchant, John Graves, who owned and ran a large lumber mill in St Basil. John Graves bought the land, which became the "Ranges" termed St Jean, Ste Marie, St Charles, and Ste Madeleine, from Joseph Brassard Deschenaux, who was the Seigneur de Neuville as of Feb 10, 1828. The lands were given by France's King to selected clergy and noblemen, who then could sell/settle the land.  William Shanahan (husband of Julia Prendergast and (??) brother of great grampa John Shanahan, bought his concession (lot number 15) from John Graves' widow, Mary Green, on 13 April 1836 for 90 argents (coins), as noted by the public notary, Martre Laroche. Yves said that the earliest settlers in St Basil looked to Cap Sante, rather than St Raymond.

The lands of New France, as Canada was originally called, was colonized by settlers carefully selected by the French government. In this respect New France differed dramatically from British colonies in North America, where the British government was only too happy to get rid of dissenters, criminals, neer-do-wells, et cetera - to what would become America. New France, and Spanish colonies also, thus represented areas of support for the mother country.

McDonald family research - I have scanned several letters from Nancy’s maternal grandfather, Captain John Angus McDonald, USMC to his wife and daughter in 1927. The scanning is complete, but reading the letters was moving. They cover his deployment within Nicaragua in a time of Civil War and revolution. They read very much like the epic movie Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. I intend to eventually convert the letters to a Word document format and share them as segments in future HICUZ Blog posts. I trust you’ll find them fascinating.

HICUZ 93

HICUZ 93

Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe

	Reminder, your acceptance of this newsletter signifies that you will not use its contents to alter, and thus disrespect in any form or way, the historical religious beliefs, no matter what they were – or were not – of family members mentioned herein. This reminder specifically refers to performing LDS ordinances using any of the data in this or other HICUZ posts. .

 

McCarthy family research - I felt the need, unbidden and unrecognized, to revisit some data concerning my ancestors in Canada. The data concerns when the first of my Shanaghan and McCarthy ancestors arrived in Quebec. I owe, as we all do, a debt of gratitude to fourth cousins Yves and Sophie Marcotte of St Basile parish, Quebec for the research they put into the census records of that parish. “Les recensements civils (1825 a 1901) de Saint Basile de Portneuf” is the book’s title. That source is available from Yves and Giselle Marcotte at: 290 Rue Rivard, Saint Basile, Quebec, Canada, G0A 3G0 for a fee. Yves provided two lists of genealogical interest covering St-Basile parish and the Portneuf county. One list is for the books he authored and the other list is from Société d'Histoire de Saint-Basile. Prices vary by book and you can purchase them with US or Canadian dollars, with shipping extra, depending of the weight it could vary between 12 U$ and 20 U$. He indicates a personal check is acceptable, with a U$2.50 surcharge at the bank for conversion of US funds. Yves and Sophie’s census books are entirely in French, but are invaluable aids for researching family roots in St Basile Parish. (I know, I’ve been using them lately.) Those interested in a listing of these books should email me.

I started this particular review to find and list the earliest arriving McCarthy’s in Portneuf County, so I could compare the McCarthy families for common origins and family connections. These various settlements, while remote from Cap Sante, were probably within a day’s ride of each other. I asked the question - how did these immigrants travel from Quebec to their homes in the various parishes of St Raymond, Ste Catherine, and St Basile? Do you believe they went by ship to Cap Sante, then on to their parishes, or did they travel overland?  Fourth cousin Yves Marcotte, noted for his knowledge of this region, suggested “they were travelling overland. Very bad road conditions: narrow footpaths; fording river...”

The 1825 Canadian census for Cap Sante, the riverfront city near St Basile parish, indicated there were 17 new families in the “new settlement which commenced in 1821 for Irish Europeans under the direction of Edouard Hale, Esquire.” In that census there were few names of Irish origin that are immediately recognizable as in my family line (Larkin, Miler/Mylar, Cleary, or Shanaghan), though they undoubtedly tie to other families by marriage. One McCarthy family was noted in that census – John McCarthy as head of a family of six.

McCarthy discoveries

My paternal great, great grandparents Denis and wife Catherine Ellen (McCarthy) Shanaghan and family, were not in the Canadian census of Cap Sante for 1819, nor in 1825. They were present in the 1831 census, reflecting their arrival after 1 May 1825. I tried to determine the exact birth date of their daughter Hannah Shanaghan, born 1829 in Canada, to refine the exact dates of arrival. Hannah’s birth date remains elusive as of September 2012.

As mentioned in HICUZ 91 additional effort took place to find the death certificate of Catherine Ellen (McCarthy) Shanaghan, looking for her parents names. Combining that data with a partial list of records for McCarthy families in Ireland may help identify additional records to determine their origins. The death record for Catherine McCarthy, on 13 March 1865, stated “died in that parish, at the advanced age of 68 or thereabouts.” The age at death and date suggests her birth in 1797. Source: St Basile records, film 1293168, page 139. Neither her parents’ names nor origin in Ireland were given.

The death records for Denis Shannahan stated - “buried in the cemetery of that parish, the widower of the late Catherine McCarthy, died at the advanced age of sixty nine years.”  Present at the burial were Eugene McCarthy, John McCarthy, William Shannahan and a great number of others who did not sign (the record book).” Source: St Basile records,15 July 1868, film 1293168, page 1230. Neither his parent’s names nor origins in Ireland were given.

Third cousins Pat Hall and Linda Maitland indicated in emails long ago that the McCarthy’s came from County Cork, their origins reflected in a 1851 census of the parish records for Ste Catherine parish. I located that information and numerous entries verified - County Cork was the origin for the McCarthy’s of Ste Catherine parish. No records found thus far show County Cork as the origins of the McCarthy’s of St Basile parish.

Were the McCarthy's of Ste Catherine parish related to those of St Basile parish? A couple of questions and data points come to mind, if you have a few moments.

1.  A John McCarthy died of heart disease 1861 in a Ste Catherine shanty. How was he related to the John McCarthy who married Mary Carroll? Was this John McCarthy a brother, or uncle, or the John McCarthy of interest? I can’t find the source for this info.

2.  Is Timothy McCarthy (marr Jane Mahoney) a brother to John McCarthy (marr Mary Carroll)? As both Timothy and John were born in County Cork I'm guessing they were, but you may have more records or insight. 

3.  Is the Jean (John) McCarthy who died 26 Dec 1831 in Cap Sante at age 65 (born 1766) related to the Ste Catherine McCarthy’s?  Cap Sante Parish, film 1289953, 1812 – 1837.

Cousin Pat Hall provided some insight – QUOTE Our first concrete record of McCarthy’s in Ste-Catherine (or Village of St. Patrick, as it was then known), is in the census of 1825, where there is a John McCarthy with 6 people in his family.  Timothy McCarthy first appears in the 1831 Lower Canada Census, where he is living on the 4th Range at Ste-Catherine with 11 persons in his household; he owned 225 acres, of which 20 were cultivated.  All records I have examined show all of his children having been born in Canada, so he would have arrived with six sons and a daughter (I think I have the count on the children correct).  All remained in Ste-Catherine except Michael (probably the second son); Timothy refers to him as "away from the Province" in his will in 1847 (I have found a family in New Brunswick that could be the missing Michael but no proof at this point). UNQUOTE

John McCarthy who married Mary Carroll had this family, which arrived before 1825:

            John McCarthy b abt 1802 Cork, m Mary Buckley 

            Julia McCarthy b abt 1802 Cork, m Robert Cameron

            Michael McCarthy b abt 1807 Cork m Catherine Slattery

As the 1825 Cap Sante census, Ste Catherine parish (Village of St. Patrick) reflected The John McCarthy family of six. Who was the sixth family member?

 

Third cousin Pat Hall long ago shared some of her research in Canadian records. In those files a new name, David Shanaghan, appeared as the godfather at the baptism of Jane McCarthy, baptized 14 August 1841 in Ste Catherine parish, Portneuf County, Quebec. Jane was the daughter of Daniel McCarthy and Mary Shanaghan (see her in record below). Daniel and Mary’s marriage ties Pat Hall and we Rowe’s together as third cousins; they married 23 Feb 1835 in Ste Catherine parish.

Early data for the Dennis and Catherine (McCarthy) Shanaghan family from Canadian census and parish data in 1831 shows the family consisted of 10 members, with 6 born Ireland, 5 born Canada. One member was not enumerated with the family. As of the 1842 census, the family had been in Canada for 16 years, thus had arrived in 1826. Since Catherine’s maiden name was McCarthy her presence in this area might have been a reason for related McCarthy families to settle in Portneuf County?

The census records data researched and preserved by Yves and Sophie include data on the land holdings around St Basile parish, which provides additional details of the initial Irish surnamed owners of lands in the parish of St Basile. A review of census records for St Basile parish did not provide any suggestions of McCarthy origins in County Cork. Data below from “Les recensements civils (1825 a 1901) de Saint Basile de Portneuf” by fourth cousins Yves and Sophie Marcotte, and other census and parish records.

1825  Cap Sante parish census – no Shanaghan’s were listed

            for Ste Catherine parish, a John McCarthy family noted, six in family. Thus this

McCarthy family arrived before 1825.

Also noted in the 1825 census of Ste Catherine de Fossambault Parish  (Village of St Patrick) was a Thomas Landers (as head of household with a family of 9) along with the entry for John McCarthy (family of six), a Daniel Buckley (with family of 6), and a James Lawless (with family of 4). These are families who intermarried in our “family.”

1831 Cap Sante, Rang St Jacques census –

            Michel McCarthy, page 437, line 16; farmer owned 180 acres, of which 8 acres

were cultivated – lot 437 A, line 16. five in family – one male (18-21);

one male (21-30); one male (60 plus); one female (14-45); and one female

(45 plus)

           

            Ste Catherine parish, Fourth Range –

Timothy McCarthy b abt 1780 Cork marr to Jane Mahoney, b abt 1786 Cork,

eleven in family in census. He d 18 Apr 1847 Ste Cath; she d 23 Apr 1846

Ste Cath. Their family follows: (Pat Hall data)

            Peter b abt 1801 Cork m Margaret Cooney 26 Sep 1826, Notre

Dame de Montreal. He d 16 Jan 1851 Ste Cath

John b abt 1802 Cork m Mary Leaghey b 1816 Kilkenny

            David b abt 1810 Cork

            Daniel b abt 1812 Cork, m Mary Shanaghan 23 Feb 1835 Ste Cath

                        (Mary dau of Denis and Catherine (McCarthy) Shanaghan)

            Eleanor (Ellen) b abt 1814 Cork m Thomas Landers 2 March 1835

            Patrick b abt 1816 Irlnd (prob Cork) m Mary Daley bef 1834.

                        Mary b 1811 Irlnd

            Denis b 1825 Irlnd m Mary McCabe 15 Feb 1847 Ste Cath

            Cornelius b 1827 Irlnd m Margaret Driscoll 17 Jan 1843 Ste Cath.

                        She born after 1822 Irlnd.

Birth of Cornelius above (1827 in Irlnd) shows family arrival abt 1827

A question remains; who was not identified – 11 in family vice the 10 identified.  

This Timothy McCarthy was not a son to the John McCarthy who married Mary

Carroll, but I suspect he may be a relative.

Cap Sante parish records - FHC film1289953, Volume 6, 1826-1837; 5 Sep 1831. M17 - Marriage of Robert Cameron, Scottish farmer of this parish, fils maj of Jacques Cameron, famr and Grace Glass of County ?? Scotland and Julie McCarthy, fille maj of Jean McCarthy and Marie Carroll from another parish. Dennis Shanahan, servant de pere and of Brien Irwin, friend of Michel McCarthy, her brother, servant de pere and of Jean McCarthy, autre frere. Signatures Dennis Shanahan; Robert Cameron; Brien Irwin; Michael McCarthy; John McCarthy.

This record confirms John McCarthy, his wife Mary Carroll and their family had arrived in Canada before and were alive in 1831. Subsequent data for their sons Michael and John, and daughter Julie below confirms family arrival abt 1827.

(AA) Ste Catherine parish records document the marriage of John McCarthy to Mary Buckley 10 Feb1836. This injects a conflict, noting the groom as “son of age of late John McCarthy and Mary Carroll” suggesting they were deceased at that time (unless she survived him and the record really only shows he was deceased). This suggests death of John and/or Mary (Carroll) McCarthy before 1832. FHC film number 1294635, Volume 1, 12 Nov 1832 – 25 Dec 1836.

(BB) Mary (Carroll) McCarthy (b abt 1775) died April of 1859 in St Basile parish, as a widow. She lived in St Basile at that time, probably with her daughter Julie who married Robert Cameron. Robert Cameron and Julie McCarthy married 5 Sep 1831 in Cap Sante, suggesting that was Julie’s parent’s home at the time and both her parents were alive in Sep of 1831.

Here are my thoughts on death of John McCarthy

Mary (Carroll) McCarthy died April of 1859 in St Basile parish, as a widow. Mary lived in St Basile, probably with her daughter (CC) Julie who married Robert Cameron. Robert Cameron and Julie McCarthy married 5 Sep 1831 in Cap Sante, suggesting that was her parent’s home at the time of the marriage and both her parents were alive in Sep of 1831.

Cap Sante parish – a Jean (John) McCarthy, died 26 Dec 1831 @ 65 years (born 1766) - Cap Sante Parish, film 1289953, 1812 – 1837. I suspect this John was the husband of Mary Carroll, based on the marriage records of John McCarthy to Mary Buckley (AA), the death record of Mary Carroll (BB), and marriage data (CC) above.

1842 census –

Graves Settlement, Seignory of Neuville, concessions of St John and St Mary –

            Michael McCarthy, page 498, line 19 – five in family, 2 born Ireland; 3 born Bas

Canada. (In Canada 15 years (arrived abt 1827). Two males (0-2); one

male (5-14); one male (14-18); one male (30-60); one female (14-45). Owned 90 acres, of which 30 were under cultivation.

Graves Settlement, Seignory of Neuville, concessions of St John and St Mary –

            John McCarthy - Pg 498 of census, line 18 – agriculturist, six in family; 3 born

Ireland, 3 born in Canada Bas (Quebec); in Canada 15 years (came abt

1827)  –All Catholics; 2 boys 0-5; 1 boy 5-14; 1 girl 14-45; one woman 45 plus; one infant.

The arrival dates above for the families of Michael and John McCarthy confirms they arrived in one season, perhaps on one ship(conjecture). The arrival dates and the proximity of their homes suggest a family relationship.

Graves Settlement, Seignory of Neuville, concessions of St John and St Mary –

            Owen McCarthy, six in family; 2 born Irlnd, in Canada nine years (came 1833).

Owen McCarthy b 1809 Ireland m Elizabeth Dean/Low/Love/ abt 1830/32 in Ireland. Elizabeth born abt 1807 in Ireland. He was buried 25 Dec 1889 St Basile. She d and was buried 29 Oct 1859 in St Basile. Their family is below:

1.      Denys (Dennis) McCarthy bapt 18 Feb 1835, Cap Sante

2.      Helen (Ellen?) McCarthy, b abt 1840, prob Cap Sante – m John Love 12 January 1858 St Basile.

3.      Marguerite McCarthy, b abt 1841, prob Cap Sante. Buried 20 Dec 1886 St Basile

4.      John McCarthy b abt 1840/44 Cap Sante or St  Basile, m Mary Ann Shanaghan

08 Feb 1864 St Basile, she dau of William Shanaghan and Julie Prendergast

            4.  Mary McCarthy, bapt 30 Nov 1850 St Basile

These Cap Sante and St Basile parish records show the Owen and Elizabeth McCarthy family settled first in Cap Sante and later moved to St Basile. The arrival date above for the family of doesn’t suggest a link to the previously mentioned McCarthy families. As a side note, Eugene and Owen appear synonymous are first names. I am looking for help connecting the family of Owen McCarthy to other McCarthy families.

Mr. Hale’s settlement in the interior of Barony Portneuf –

J… McCarty, pg 536, line 13, farmer, two in family, both born Ireland.

            In Canada 11 years (arvd 1831), one male 30-60; one female 45 plus.

            Owned 200 acres, of which 20 acres were under cultivation.

This J McCarthy family’s arrival date shows this was not the John McCarthy who married Mary Carroll.

1847 – St Basile parish records, pg 1, S 3 – Michael McCarthy, interred 2 Feb 1847, deceased yesterday “aged about forty years, husband of Catherine Slattery. Present: Robert Cameron, Esquire and John McCarthy, who have signed with us.”

1851 – Ste. Catherine census Fourth Range, sheet 41

Cornelius McCarthy, b 1827 Irlnd m Margaret Driscoll 17 Jan 1843 Ste Cath. She

born Cork after 1822.

                        Timothy, age 8 (b 1843) Ste Cath

                        Michael, age 6 (b 1845), Ste Cath

                        Dennis, age 4 (b 1847) Ste Cath

                        Cornelius, age 1 (b 1850) Ste Cath

                        Edward Nielon, ward, age 15, County Clare    

            Ste. Catherine census Fifth Range

            Patrick McCarthy, age 40 (b 1811) Cork m Mary Daly, age 41 (b 1810) Cork

                        Jane, age 17 (b 1834) Ste Cath

                        Sarah, age 15 (b 1836) Ste Cath

                        Timothy, age 7 (b 1844), Ste Cath

                        Celina Dosons, ward, age 4, Anglican, born Quebec

            Ste. Catherine census Third Range, sheet 15 –

            Cornelius Hennessey, age 50 (b 1811) Cork m M. McCarthy age 40 (b

1811) Cork. 1861 census reflects spouse as Ellen, born 1812.

Betsy age 18 (b 1833) Cork – 1861 census reflects her as

 Elizabeth, b 1824

                                    John age 17 (b 1836) Ste Cath

                                    W. age 15 (b 1836) Ste Cath

                                    (twin) Cornelius age 15 (b 1836) Ste Cath

                                    Helen age 10 (b 1841) Ste Cath

                                    Catherine age 8 (b 1843) Ste Cath

                                    Michael age 4 (1847) Ste Cath

                                    Mary Ann age 2 (b 1849) Ste Cath

                                    J age 1 (b 1850) Ste Cath

No data as yet shows a connection of the M. McCarthy above as a relative to other McCarthy families under investigation. Can anyone help?

            Ste. Catherine census Fourth Range, sheet 37 –

            John McCarthy age 50 (b 1801) Cork m Mary Laghey age 35 (b 1816)

Kilkenny

                                    Timothy age 19 (b 1832) Ste Cath

                                    John age 15 (b 1836) Ste Cath

                                    Jane age 13 (b 1838) Ste Cath

                                    Thomas age 9 (b 1842) Quebec

                                    Mary Ann age 7 (b 1844) Ste Cath

                                    Patrick age 5 (b 1846) Ste Cath

                                    Cornelius age 3 (b 1848) Ste Cath

                                    Denis age 1 (b 1850) Ste Cath                         

            Ste. Catherine census Fourth Range, sheet 37 – (next to brother above on census)

            Dennis McCarthy, age 31 (b 1820) Cork m Mary McCabe, age 22 (b

1829) Quebec

Jane age 4 (b 1847) Ste Cath

Timothy age 2 (b 1849) Ste Cath

James Neilan, ward, age 12 (b 1839) County Clare

            Ste. Catherine census Sixth Range

            Thomas Landers age 37 (b 1814) Tipperary, m Eleanor McCarthy age 34

(b 1817) Cork (1861 census shows her as Ellen)

Thomas Landers age 16 (b 1835) Ste Cath

Johanna “  age 14 (b 1837) Ste Cath

Jane   “  age 10 (b 1841) Ste Cath

Timothy  “  age 8  (b 1843) Ste Cath

Elinor   “ age 6 (b 1845) Ste Cath

William  “  age 2 age (b 1849) Ste Cath 

A record from St Basile parish records covers the death of Mary Carroll on 1 Apr 1859 at around 84 years (b abt 1775), the widow of John McCarthy. This confirms he died before 1859.  

1861 Ste Catherine census –

            Patrick McCarthy, age 55 (b 1806) County Waterford

            Margaret Kelly, age 55 (b 1806) County Monaghan

Anastasia McCarthy, age 21, Ste. Catherine   

Edward Neilan, age 25 (b 1836) County Clare

(ward of Cornelius McCarthy and Margaret Driscoll)

Notice both Cornelius McCarthy (1851) and Patrick McCarthy (1861) mention Edward Neilan as a ward. Does this suggest a family connection between these two McCarthy’s?

                        Summing up arrivals of McCarthy families

Dennis and Catherine (McCarthy) Shanaghan – arvd 1826

John and Mary (Carroll) McCarthy, and children John, Michael, Julie – arvd 1827

Timothy and Jane (Mahoney) McCarthy – arvd abt 1827

Owen McCarthy and Elizabeth (Low/Love/Lane/Dean) McCarthy – arvd abt 1833

Where did the Irish settlers in Portneuf County come from …

From earlier research - A look at this Peter Robinson Settlement, which “principally settled Ontario with Irish in 1823 and 1825. These settlements were undertaken by the British government to alleviate the prospects of famine in Ireland in that period due to continuing crop failures, including that of potatoes. The failures were increasing the flow of Irish (and Scots) into English cities at a time when population pressures were great. “Assisted emigration” was tried, with Peter Robinson appointed to lead the expeditions.

Most of the emigrants were Catholic peasants from North of the Blackwater River in Cork, but some Protestants and Catholics from other areas were also selected. 307 families were chosen, with no person to be over 45. All would be given land, tools, seeds for crops, and would be transported to Canada where they could own the land, practice their religion, and participate politically.”

The Peter Robinson settlers were “to receive 70 acres, for which an annual quit rent was to be paid to the Crown, at 2 pence per acre, every six months. Supplies to each adult included “one pound of salt pork, one pound of flour per day, one peck of seed corn, 3 bushels of seed potatoes, a cow, a handsaw, a kettle, an iron pot, an auger, axes, 100 nails, two gimlets, and three hoes.”

307 families comprised the group in 1823, while 2024 people went in 1825 in nine ships.”   I extracted/summarized these details from: http://home.eznet.net/~kinsella/genealogy/research/robinson.htm 

Relevant Robinson Settlement information – QUOTE

Peter Robinson Report of 1824 London 2nd April 1824. National Archives of Canada: MG 24 B 74, 1-4 and 1-5, microfilm reel M-141 see also M-140.  British Parliamentary Papers, 1825 XVIII, (131), pp.359-361: EMIGRATION FROM THE SOUTH OF IRELAND TO THE CANADAS. AN ESTIMATE of the Sum required for facilitating Emigration from the South of Ireland to the Canada’s; for the year 1825.UNQUOTE

The question which comes to mind is whether our Catholic Irish ancestors’ from Cork came from the same region. I expect that if family members had preceded our ancestors, those family members who followed might settle in the same area.

The 1851 census of Ste Catherine parish also showed these counties as the origin for Irish families in that parish:  Wicklow, Wexford, Tyrone, Waterford, Kilkenny, Cork, Fermanagh, Dublic, Queen’s, Westmeath, Tipperary, Donegal, Carlow, Limerick, Antrim, Monaghan, Derry, Kildare, Sligo, King’s, Longford, Cavan, Mayo, and Down.

The Peter Robinson report provided information on the origins of those who settled out near Ontario. It reflected that those immigrants were recruited from “the towns of Fermoy, Mitchelstown, Doneraile, Charleville, Newmarket, Kanturk, Mallow and the villages within that circle.”

Apparently Peter Robinson’s efforts to recruit settlers for the Ontario area were publicized and there were assurances given that additional settlers would be welcome. It reassured those others “anxious to know whether, in case they liked the country, there would be room for their friends, and whether they would likewise be granted lands, and enjoy the same benefits and privileges which were now offered to them.”

The report additionally stated that “there was room enough in Canada for many more than would ever come from Ireland, and that if they were industrious and sober they would be able, in a few years, to send for their friends and relations themselves, if no public assistance should at that time be given to emigrants.”

Check out, and let me know your results, if you’ve used the following:

Irish Canadian Emigration Records, 1825-1849.

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