HI CUZ Blog 103
Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
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MLFHS:
Irish publication
There is a fairly new publication which may be of use to our members with Irish ancestors I have just read the latest edition which has articles about Roscommon which I have found very interesting and useful It can be downloaded and is free. As many of our members are not on the e-mail list please pass this on to any who have Irish Ancestry.
http://www.irishlivesremembered.com/
There is a fairly new publication which may be of use to our members with Irish ancestors I have just read the latest edition which has articles about Roscommon which I have found very interesting and useful It can be downloaded and is free. As many of our members are not on the e-mail list please pass this on to any who have Irish Ancestry.
http://www.irishlivesremembered.com/
MLFHS: Deane Burial Records (Manchester
England
sources)
Generally, churches will record burial services in a burial register, arranged in date order and they will have a separate grave register arranged by grave plot. The grave register will list each interment in each grave, and will often show the name and probably the address of the
owner of the grave. It might also contain notes by the sexton about special considerations relating to the grave such as the need for timber reinforcements or foundations for elaborate memorials, etc. There will usually also be a separate map showing the physical location of each grave identified by the reference numbers in the grave register.
The grave register is usually more informative than the burial register, mainly because as well as giving the name and usually the age of each individual it tells you who else is sharing the grave. That's often a big help and it's much more reliable that the MI, which may not list all
the interments or it might be illegible or the headstone may lying butter-side-down or be missing altogether. Unfortunately the grave registers are often the least accessible because the churches usually need to keep them if there is any possibility of further interments or other maintenance or developments in the church yard.
In most cases the burial register will record the date of the service, the name of the individual, their age and possibly their parish of residence, and the vicar's signature. Anything more than that, such as a full address, date of death and grave reference number are entered on the whim of the vicar and not very frequently.
As you say, there will be a delay in being able to access the records held at MCL but it's very likely that anything that's been microfilmed for Deane St Mary will also be available in Bolton Archives.
Generally, churches will record burial services in a burial register, arranged in date order and they will have a separate grave register arranged by grave plot. The grave register will list each interment in each grave, and will often show the name and probably the address of the
owner of the grave. It might also contain notes by the sexton about special considerations relating to the grave such as the need for timber reinforcements or foundations for elaborate memorials, etc. There will usually also be a separate map showing the physical location of each grave identified by the reference numbers in the grave register.
The grave register is usually more informative than the burial register, mainly because as well as giving the name and usually the age of each individual it tells you who else is sharing the grave. That's often a big help and it's much more reliable that the MI, which may not list all
the interments or it might be illegible or the headstone may lying butter-side-down or be missing altogether. Unfortunately the grave registers are often the least accessible because the churches usually need to keep them if there is any possibility of further interments or other maintenance or developments in the church yard.
In most cases the burial register will record the date of the service, the name of the individual, their age and possibly their parish of residence, and the vicar's signature. Anything more than that, such as a full address, date of death and grave reference number are entered on the whim of the vicar and not very frequently.
As you say, there will be a delay in being able to access the records held at MCL but it's very likely that anything that's been microfilmed for Deane St Mary will also be available in Bolton Archives.
Here's what Bolton Archives lists
for Deane St Mary:
Baptisms 1604-1812 Printed LPRS 53* 54* 79*
Baptisms 1636-1886 Microfilm A6:25-28
Baptisms 1604-1886 Transcript
Marriages 1604-1812 Printed LPRS 53* 54* 79*
Marriages 1637-1890 Microfilm A6:25, A6:27, A6:29-35
Marriage Transcript 1840-1886 Microfilm A6:39
Marriages 1604-1886 Transcript
Burials 1604-1812 Printed LPRS 53* 54* 79*
Burials 1637-1887 Microfilm A6:25, A6:36-38
Burials 1604-1886 Transcript
Burial Transcript 1813-1886 Microfilm A6:39
I.G.I.: Baptisms 1604-1829
I.G.I.: Marriages 1604-1812
Monumental Inscriptions Transcript B929.5 DEA
Monumental Inscriptions Microfiche LPRS H:H21
Baptism Index 1813-1859 Transcript B929.3 DEA
Marriage Index 1813-1886 Transcript B929.3 DEA
Marriage Index 1813-1837 Microfiche LPRS B:D5
Baptisms 1604-1812 Printed LPRS 53* 54* 79*
Baptisms 1636-1886 Microfilm A6:25-28
Baptisms 1604-1886 Transcript
Marriages 1604-1812 Printed LPRS 53* 54* 79*
Marriages 1637-1890 Microfilm A6:25, A6:27, A6:29-35
Marriage Transcript 1840-1886 Microfilm A6:39
Marriages 1604-1886 Transcript
Burials 1604-1812 Printed LPRS 53* 54* 79*
Burials 1637-1887 Microfilm A6:25, A6:36-38
Burials 1604-1886 Transcript
Burial Transcript 1813-1886 Microfilm A6:39
I.G.I.: Baptisms 1604-1829
I.G.I.: Marriages 1604-1812
Monumental Inscriptions Transcript B929.5 DEA
Monumental Inscriptions Microfiche LPRS H:H21
Baptism Index 1813-1859 Transcript B929.3 DEA
Marriage Index 1813-1886 Transcript B929.3 DEA
Marriage Index 1813-1837 Microfiche LPRS B:D5
I’ve just looked at the Deane
Church
http://www.deanechurch.co.uk/pg/p173.asp
http://www.deanechurch.co.uk/pg/p173.asp
Here's the equivalent list for MCL:
Baptisms-1636-1784- MFPR 899
Baptisms-1785-1833- MFPR 900
Baptisms-1833-1846- MFPR 901
Baptisms-1846-1886- MFPR 1300
Baptisms Transcript-1604-1605- 929.3272 D6
Baptisms Transcript-1613-1812- 929.3272 D6
Burials-1637-1784- MFPR 899
Burials-1781-1844- MFPR 905
Burials-1844-1862- MFPR 1305
Burials-1862-1887- MFPR 1306
Burials Transcript-1604-1605- 929.3272 D6
Burials Transcript-1613-1812- 929.3272 D6
Marriage Index- 1813-1837- Rossendale Fiche D5
Marriages-1637-1754- MFPR 899
Marriages-1754-1797- MFPR 901
Marriages-1798-1824- MFPR 902
Marriages-1824-1837- MFPR 903
Marriages-1837-1839- MFPR 904
Marriages-1839-1846- MFPR 1301
Marriages-1846-1855- MFPR 1302
Marriages-1855-1871- MFPR 1303
Marriages-1871-1890- MFPR 1304
Marriages Transcript-1604-1605- 929.3272 D6
Marriages Transcript-1613-1812- 929.3272 D6
There are no grave registers on either list, so if MCL have them they're
likely to be the original registers rather than films of them.
MLFHS: Oldham Historical
Research Group
This recently-created site might be of interest to those of you withOldham connections. http://www.pixnet.co.uk/Oldham-hrg/
This recently-created site might be of interest to those of you with
Rowe family stories to share – find and share some of your
own.
My Dad’s tales about WWI aviation training …
Daniel Mannix Rowe trained as an aerial observer close to the end of WWI, to
spot and adjust artillery from the air … at Army airfields in Oklahoma
(Fort Sill )
and in Texas .
He said that the pilot instructing their group did not know how to “bank” an
airplane, and so when airborne they skidded around turns with wings level. They
used the JN-4 “Jenny” aircraft. Check one out using Google.
He said that someone in the squadron caught a
German-American cutting the guy wires that held the wings together (He was
training in bi-planes). A Court Martial was held, the man was convicted of
treason and he was shot. I have been unable to confirm through US Army Air
Corps, Texas or Oklahoma records that this occurred, but
believe it based on the very grave nature of such an event and my father’s age
of roughly mid-twenties at the time.
My Mom’s told tales about the Spanish Flu
impact in Bridgeport , CT
… She told me that she recalled that all roads in and out of Bridgeport , CT
From my brother Dan – about the Harriman’s, who owned a farm
across Mitchell Road
from the Rowe farm. They had six milk
cows, one bull and lots of chickens. In a field behind their home Mr. Harriman
raised pumpkins and squash, and grazed the cows and bull. About the start of
WWII, when my brothers were about ten, nine, and eight years old, after getting
upset with Mr. Harriman for some reason … in the Fall, they snuck into his
field, cut holes in the bottom of about a dozen pumpkins, inserted cow pies,
re-inserted the holes and secured the plugs with tooth picks.
Mom and Dad gave them Hell as
Dan said … I expect their punishment was more direct.
From my brother Dennis Rowe.
A story from his youth (1950s), when my brothers were Boy
Scouts back in Maine. I’ve titled brother Den’s story - UP A CREEK …
It has always been thus and thus it will always be (the
newest is always subjected to the “treatment”.)
Part of the prior summer I had been a camper (= Boy Scout)
at the Wm M Hinds Boy Scout Summer Camp in Raymond , Maine
As a camper you get to know the names of staff & where
they fit in; some more than others. You know who runs swimming, boating,
canteen, dining areas, etc. You live in one of six respective camps – Pershing
was mine.
That first summer Dave was also a fellow camper. He had
earned more merit badges – needed to qualify for Star, Life, and Eagle Scout.
Beyond sheer numbers you needed certain badges – swimming and life saving – for
Eagle. Dave got both; I got neither. That mainly was why I went back the
following summer as a 10 week staff person (Scouts came for eight).
Being staff (2nd summer) we all arrived a week
before the kids. In age I was closer to most of the kids than the staff of
professional scouting or perennial summer staff. Den’s Assistant Scoutmaster was “Sturdy”
Farrington whose brother Frank (or another) was boats & canoes.
Den and Dave had helped – unofficially – as nature gatherers
and helped stock the nature study area. One reptile we caught was a
hard-to-snag snapping turtle, a nasty beast, a vicious predator to all kinds of
water creatures. They caught the turtle as it lay in the mud at the edge of the
river running past amp Hines to the lake. Den says the turtle wiggled its long
pink tongue to attract, and eat fish. The turtle was returned to the
environment at the summer’s end.
So, what did we do after a hard day’s work setting up the
whole camp? There sure was nothing to do
around a camp out in the woods adjacent the lake. We crossed the lake to
Raymond Center where there was one juke box joint with food, music, some local
girls and – if you were old enough – beer.
We crossed the lake (about a mile) by canoe. The first group
usually went together then others – like we went later – alone in a canoe.
I was probably the last to arrive – and the same when
leaving to come back. That was my big
mistake though I didn’t realize it at the time. It seems the others, leaving
collectively but with no preplanning decided they’d have a little “fun” with
the new guy. So they went home with my paddle.
A canoe without a paddle is a rather useless thing. If its
loaded with gear or supplies it tows easily enough. An empty canoe well-shoved
coasts a long way. Not much else.
So there I am, stranded without a paddle, Or as commonly the
less politely said “Up the proverbial aqueduct but lacking adequate means of
propulsion.” I looked around but my
paddle wasn’t hidden, it was gone1
While I was trying to think through to a solution I must
have gazed at the shape of the bow & stern of the canoe – both ends were
tapered and that gave me an idea. If you depress one end sharply, suddenly and
forcefully, the canoe squirts away.
So, standing knee deep alongside my canoe, I tried it. And it worked! Would it work if I tried it standing inside
the canoe? Let’s try it. So I climbed aboard, scooted* down and stood up
vigorously. VOILA the canoe self propelled as it were. I had my “paddle.”
I had to control my excitement and my balance (If I
scotch-paddled subsequently I would tie a lanyard from my wrist to the canoe
lest it escape).
It was tiring – those aren’t muscles you exercise regularly
– but scootching and straightening up became my propellant. With a little bit
of balancing you could actually steer. I
figured – correctly – that the only things that wouldn’t help were wind gusts
catching the upward lifted bow and excess water needing to be bailed.
I made it back across Raymond Lake without benefit of my
“stolen” paddle. I earned a little bit of fame and mystery as I never shared
just how I paddled home that night. And,
try as they might, no one discovered how I did it.
All I would confess was “I used my head.” I had wanted to
say “scotched” but no one seems to understand the term and – especially the blockheads
– asked themselves “How could he use his head as a paddle?
I didn’t do it for notoriety; I did it out of necessity. I
could do it again – so could anyone. But no one ever screwed around with my
paddle again across the lake. Thus it has always been & thus it will always
be.
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MLFHS: Calendar of Irish Wills
Further to recent postings about the Calendar of Wills site http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
They have now resolved the layout problem and the pages display correctly. The site is now on the toolbar under both the Probate and Ireland menus.
MLFHS: Calendar of Irish Wills
Thanks for this site. I have found several entries for my Irish relatives and got quite a lot more info. I read on the site that many of the actual wills were destroyed in the 1922 fire. In the hope that a will might have survived, does anyone know if it is possible to apply for a will and if so where.
Further to recent postings about the Calendar of Wills site http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
They have now resolved the layout problem and the pages display correctly. The site is now on the toolbar under both the Probate and Ireland menus.
MLFHS: Calendar of Irish Wills
Thanks for this site. I have found several entries for my Irish relatives and got quite a lot more info. I read on the site that many of the actual wills were destroyed in the 1922 fire. In the hope that a will might have survived, does anyone know if it is possible to apply for a will and if so where.
There seems to be
a problem with the new calendar of wills page: http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
The left margin
setting seems to be adrift resulting in the left hand side of the page being
partially undisplayed. This problem appears with both Internet Explorer 7 and Firefox browsers
on the PC and the following search screen.
MLFHS: Calendar of Irish Wills RESPONSE
Dear MLFHS member
Thank you for your further feedback below, before which I raised the sizing issue with our IT Unit - a fix has been implemented which I hope has resolved the matter.
Best wishes.
Elizabeth McEvoy, Archivist, National Archives of Ireland, Bishop Street, Dublin 8,
Ireland.
T: +353 (0)1 4072 382 F: +353 (0)1 4072 333
E: emcevoy@nationalarchives.ie
W: http://www.nationalarchives.ie
Since mailing you, I found that the page size can be adjusted smaller with CTRL- to fit the page to the screen width. However, if the page is over-sized, scroll bars should appear to allow the page to be scanned horizontally and these do not appear at default size. if the page is considerably enlarged with CTRL+ then the horizontal scroll bar DOES finally appear, but only allows you to scroll part of the screen, still leaving the left edge hidden.
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Thank you for your further feedback below, before which I raised the sizing issue with our IT Unit - a fix has been implemented which I hope has resolved the matter.
Best wishes.
Elizabeth McEvoy, Archivist, National Archives of Ireland, Bishop Street, Dublin 8,
Ireland.
T: +353 (0)1 4072 382 F: +353 (0)1 4072 333
E: emcevoy@nationalarchives.ie
W: http://www.nationalarchives.ie
Since mailing you, I found that the page size can be adjusted smaller with CTRL- to fit the page to the screen width. However, if the page is over-sized, scroll bars should appear to allow the page to be scanned horizontally and these do not appear at default size. if the page is considerably enlarged with CTRL+ then the horizontal scroll bar DOES finally appear, but only allows you to scroll part of the screen, still leaving the left edge hidden.
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MLFHS: 17th Century Map of Ireland Goes
On-line - Mon May
13,2013
Dear All, a most interesting piece of information courtesy of County
Down Genealogy web site. The following was reported today (13 May) in the Irish Times [http://www.irishtimes.com]:
"A 300-year-old map detailing the gradual transfer of landownership from Catholics to Protestants went online today. The Down Survey of Ireland, which has been uploaded by the history department in Trinity College, was undertaken by the Cromwellian regime between 1656 and 1658.
"The survey introduced Ireland to methods of modern mapping and created the first recognisable maps of the country. The survey was the first ever detailed mapping project on a national level and measured all estates that were forfeited by Catholic landowners.
"The original map collection was burned in fires in 1711 and in the Four Courts in 1922. It is made up of counties, baronies and parish maps. The details mark townland boundaries, churches, roads, bogs, rivers, woods and settlements."
Take note that the term 'Down' doesn't refer to 'County Down' (although this county is included in the maps), but refers to the chains that were "put down" on the ground to measure out the land.
The Trinity College website for "The Down Survey of Ireland" can be found at: http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/ A video describing the project can be viewed at: http://tinyurl.com/d9uknt3
Dear All, a most interesting piece of information courtesy of County
Down Genealogy web site. The following was reported today (13 May) in the Irish Times [http://www.irishtimes.com]:
"A 300-year-old map detailing the gradual transfer of landownership from Catholics to Protestants went online today. The Down Survey of Ireland, which has been uploaded by the history department in Trinity College, was undertaken by the Cromwellian regime between 1656 and 1658.
"The survey introduced Ireland to methods of modern mapping and created the first recognisable maps of the country. The survey was the first ever detailed mapping project on a national level and measured all estates that were forfeited by Catholic landowners.
"The original map collection was burned in fires in 1711 and in the Four Courts in 1922. It is made up of counties, baronies and parish maps. The details mark townland boundaries, churches, roads, bogs, rivers, woods and settlements."
Take note that the term 'Down' doesn't refer to 'County Down' (although this county is included in the maps), but refers to the chains that were "put down" on the ground to measure out the land.
The Trinity College website for "The Down Survey of Ireland" can be found at: http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/ A video describing the project can be viewed at: http://tinyurl.com/d9uknt3
Calling all CUZZES – Consider sharing stories of family
members who served in combat during WWII, the Korean and Vietnam wars. Think about it.
MacKenzie family research - It
looks like Gloria C. MacKenzie, recent winner of Power Ball millions, is only a
very distant cousin. I can now shred my loan application.
