HI CUZ Blog 104
Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
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Source Information: Ancestry.com. Manchester , England Provo , UT ,
USA Manchester ,
England : Manchester Cathedral. Images produced by
permission of Manchester Cathedral and Manchester City Council. Images may be
used only for the purposes of the family history research in accordance with
Ancestry’s website terms of use. At the request of the Manchester Diocese it is
highlighted that the use of images for retrospective or proxy baptism is not
permitted.
Comments from “CUZ” LIZ on
the HICUZ Blog – this is what we call networking … I initially thought I was
remiss in not noting the comment ages ago, but found I did in HICUZ 90 and 94.
Hello,
My 3rd great aunt Catherine
Slattery was married to Michael
McCarthy in Ste Catherine De Portneuf, Quebec, Canada in 1833. Catherine was born in Tralee in
1815 according to the 1851 Canadian Census. Her parents were Patrick
Slattery and Catherine Pollard. I believe that Patrick Slattery's brother was
Stephen Slattery. You have both of their names posted in the Graves’
settlement, Seignory of Neuville, Concessions of St John, St Mary. I did find a
birth record for Michael Slattery who was Stephen Slattery and Hanorah
Fitzmaurice's son and I did also find Stephen and Hanorah's marriage record in DUNMUNTANE, Kerry.
I have never been able to find
any documents for Patrick and his wife Catherine Pollard as to where they came
from in Ireland. I do believe that they also came from County Kerry. What is
the Graves Settlement? This is the first I have ever heard of it. Thank you for
establishing this Blog Spot. Liz on HI CUZ 87
Liz’s blog – -
provided a link for exploring Irish-Canadian roots with very helpful
possibilities for serious researchers. Check out -
The Graves Settlement … HICUZ 26 - Shanahan research –
based on helpful and informative e-mail from cousin Yves Marcotte of St Basil,
Quebec. He noted that most of St Basil's early settlers bought their land
concessions from a rich tobacco merchant, John Graves, who owned and ran a
large lumber mill in St Basil. John Graves bought the land, which became the
"Ranges" termed St Jean, Ste Marie, St Charles, and Ste Madeleine,
from Joseph Brassard Deschenaux, who was the Seigneur de Neuville as of Feb 10,
1828. The lands were given by France's King to selected clergy and noblemen,
who then could sell/settle the land.
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Tales of tolerance in the good ole
days??
Marion Littlefield, who later married my Uncle William Rowe,
MD, was told not to cross the street, as those Catholic Rowes lived on that
side of the street.
My maternal grandfather, Dennis O’Connor went to a labor
meeting place and saw a sign outside – Irish need not apply. Later he was the
only white who would work with ‘coloreds’ at the Brass works in Bridgeport, CT.
Photo
identified as – 198 - Bicknell Photo Service, Feb. 19, 1943, Portland, Maine
Warren (Bobby) Johnson; Ed, Frank and Katherine Greco; ‘Fitty’
Barrett; Dan ‘Dobby’ Rowe; Dennis “Denny’ Rowe – no rt/left or front positions
noted on back.
Dennis is behind front wheel and partially hidden; Katherine
Greco is behind him; Dan is at far upper right with foot on wagon wheel. Photo
from brother Dennis Rowe’s collection.
WWII symbology on buggy above – three dots and a dash means V
in Morse code for Victory. The code was deciphered by Cuz John Vilcheck.
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Wroe research
– July and August searches using local library version of Ancestry.com yielded some interesting finds.
James Wroe,
born 1770 within confines of Manchester, Lancaster County – found his
christening record on 09 December 1770 at St Mary, St Denys and St George
church. I believe this church later became the Manchester Cathedral. Parents
listed as Richard Wroe and Elizabeth (also as Elisabeth). James is my great,
great, great grandfather. I additionally found James burial data – 23 April
1837 at St Mark’s Church in Cheetham. The burial records verified James parents
as Richard and Elizabeth Wroe, in agreement with my records.
The records for five of his children (there may have been
more) were found and are identified below. Two of the siblings, Elisabeth and
Ann, were new discoveries. All five siblings, born in Cheetham, are the children
of James and Ann (Plant) Wroe. James and Ann were my great, great, great
grandparents:
Richard Wroe, chr 29 June 1800. My great great
grandfather
Elisabeth Wroe, chr 4 July 1802
Ann Wroe, chr 8 July 1804
James Wroe, born 20 Apr 1809, chr 26
May 1809, died Feb 1813
Thomas
Wroe, born 22 Aug 1807, chr 26 May 1809
Sarah Wroe,
chr 27 Nov 1811
John Wroe, chr 3 Oct 1813
William
Wroe, chr 10 July 1816 (a
new discovery as a sibling)
As a point of reference, here is our tree –
Family Tree, Donald Rowe
– data as of August 2013
Richard Wroe of Kersal, b abt 1680
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John Wroe, b 12
March 1713, m Mary abt 1687/90, of Salford, yeoman,
] shopkeeper, d 1769 @ 56
30 Dec 1743
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2 Dec 1770
Salford
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Richard
Wroe, b Cheetham, bap 29 June 1800, m Margaret Stansfield.
Manchester
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Thomas Wroe/Rowe m Mary Ellen Meagher about 1852. Mailed to
Boston in April 1853; enroute their first son William Joseph Rowe was born
onboard the vessel Josephus.
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MLFHS: Lancashire BMD - New Data (Births,
marriages, deaths)
MLFHS member – Every time I see your announcements on the provision of more Parish register BMD, I make a silent wish for someone somewhere to publish---and maybe they have
all the parish registers entries - for the period 1500 to 1800, in a particular county.
These are the ones that need experience, patience, and very good eyesight to read. I know the Victoria Society covered most of Lancashire, but other counties? I suppose some are not even photocopied?
MLFHS: Lancashire BMD - Response from another MLFHS member –
MLFHS member – Every time I see your announcements on the provision of more Parish register BMD, I make a silent wish for someone somewhere to publish---and maybe they have
all the parish registers entries - for the period 1500 to 1800, in a particular county.
These are the ones that need experience, patience, and very good eyesight to read. I know the Victoria Society covered most of Lancashire, but other counties? I suppose some are not even photocopied?
MLFHS: Lancashire BMD - Response from another MLFHS member –
New data has been added at
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows:
Added 25,610 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Chorlton-on-Medlock (1907-1927);
Added 25,610 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Chorlton-on-Medlock (1907-1927);
Rusholme
(1924-1929)
Added 10,946
Births for Bolton RD comprising: Farnworth (1887-1896);Turton (1899-1904);
Western Bolton (1878-1879)
Family gatherings
Rowe (Descendants of my
aunt/uncle William and Marion (Littlefield) Rowe MD – in upper NY state at home
of and reunion coordinated by First Cuz John Rowe.
O’Connor – descendants of my
grandparents Dennis Joseph and Bridget (Sullivan) O’Connor – coordinated by
First Cuzzes Tom and John Carroll in CT.
Gerhards/Gerharts – descendants
of Johann Peter and Elisabeth (Schmidt) Gerhart – central PA – coordinated by
Ross Gordon Gerhart III.
Nancy and I attended the O’Connor gathering this year, and
saw a great number of cuzzes we had not seen for years. It was great, and I
expect to hear from several via the BLOG and to assist a few with research.
Spent a day with older brother Dan in RI, and he shared a
few tidbits about aunts, uncles and cousins.
Uncle Joe and Aunt Teresa “Teri (Taborel) Rowe -
lived in Norwalk, CT at one time on a spit of land on the water. She was from a
wealthy family of Mexico City with lawyers and doctors. Their two daughters,
Teri and Elsi attended Hunters College in NY City. Joe and Teri, per Dan, were
an ‘avante garde” couple and he overheard them say in conversation over drinks
with my parents… telling their daughters “not to come home from college as
virgins.” Dan said my straight laced, staid parents were apparently aghast at
the idea.
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Uncle Edwin “Ed” and Aunt
Rose (Devine) Rowe – Uncle Ed drove workers to job sites in his pickup, and
often came to visit Dad on Sundays. My Mother was unhappy with the family
disruption and told Dad to take us out to eat after Church – to avoid Uncle Ed.
First cousin Bill Rowe, son of Uncle Ed and Aunt Rose, ran a
well digging company.
First cousin Kathleen (Rowe), daughter of Uncle Francis
Stephen “Frank” and aunt Sarah “Sadie’ (Coyne) Rowe, married Tom Dowd who was a
RR conductor.
Second cousin Leonard “Lenny” Emery, son of Jane “Jenny” Rowe & Mr. Frank Emery (Jane the
sister of my grandfather William Joseph and Catherine Ellen (Shanaghan) Rowe)
often came to “the Farm” owned by my parents on Mitchell Road in Cape
Elizabeth, ME in his Ford Woody.
Second cousin Jim
McBrady, son of Anna (Rowe) & John E. McBrady (Anna another sister of my
grandfather William Joseph and Catherine Ellen (Shanaghan) Rowe) served as a
football line coach at Cheverus High school in Portland, ME when my brother Dan
was a student there. Dan said our second cousin Jim McBrady would regularly
knock Dan on his butt during practices.
My older brothers Dan,
Dave and Den always bought Italian sandwiches from Mrs. DiBiase’s sandwich shop
on Munjoy Hill in Portland, ME. Dan said she used to make fifteen at a time for
twenty five cents. I can recall going there as a teenager when the four of us
went skiing in Bridgeton, ME. The grandson of Mrs. DiBiase is now married to a
cuz in Maine.
My father, Daniel Mannix
Rowe MD served as the unofficial family doctor to family in and around
Portland. His brother Bill, also a doctor, served the same function in Rumford,
ME. The families living near “the Farm” on Mitchell Road used to pay for
medical care in produce, this period being the Depression years through WWII.
Dan shared an exciting tale – he, Dave and Den were
harassing a stud bull owned by the neighbor Harriman family in the 1940s. The
bull treed them and they had to wait in the tree until Archie Harriman
corralled the bull and let my brothers out of the tree.
Cousins
by Countries
(Needs
updating. Please send a Blog comment!)
England
– Wroe, Porter, Stansfield, Davies, Plante, Taylor, Dixon, Lawler, Lawless,
Newell,
Marshall, Hall, Hayes, Holland, Shrum, Brew, Grace, Cheetham, Ravold,
Heywood,
Markland
Keeble, Foley,
O’Connor, Shea, Fitzgerald, Carroll, Coyne, Redmond,
French, Hanifin,
Moloney, Maguire, Murphy, Devine, Caron, Mulcahy,
O’Neill, Curtin, Moriarity, Carmichael,
Kindellan, Crotty, Love, McCabe, Landers, McLaughlin, Loughren, Mylar/Miller,
Daley, Driscoll, Buckley,
Casey, Riordan, Lyons, Langan,
Bowler,
Marcotte, Larkin,
Mylar, McCarthy, Corcoran, Kindellan, den
Ouden, Marcotte,
Contois, Madore, Savard, Tardiff, Gillis,
Fraser, McDonald,
MacKinnon, MacInnis, MacLeod, Mackenzie,
Maitland, Gayou,
Morrisette, Germain, Hardy, Davies, Jobin, Thibodeau,
Slattery, Picfkford,
Buckley, Agan, Power, Donovan, Prendergast,
Kennedy, Flanders,
Brazil – D’Oliveira,
Denmark – Hansen,
Germany – Gerhart, Shimer, Schmidt, Kunkel,
Dech, Hertzel, Laundenslager,
Schiffert,
Mattern, Der Linde, Stuhler, Jans, Van Gelder, Rotenslager,
Schantz, Bortz,
Seib, Nickel,
Italy
– Innocenti, Sassi, Sofri, San Angelo, DiBiase, Bertolucci, Bignotti, Gai,
D’Ambrosio,
Mexico
– Tamborel, Amador, Casa-Mayor, Diaz, Bermudez, Salazar, Reyes,
Pena,
Garcia,
Padilla, Giron, Chavez, Apodaca, Terrasa, Betancio,
Carillo,
Candelaria, Fernandez, Delao, Loya, Guarjado, Ramigo, Delgado,
Madrid,
Lucero, Trillo,
France
– Tamborel, Tamborre, Case-Mayor, LaPolice, Arsenault,
Scotland
- Gillis, Fraser, McDonald, MacKinnon, MacInnis, MacLeod, MacKenzie,
Cameron, Gordon, Rawson, Buck, Russell, Byrne,
Campbell,
SERENDIPTY (Doo!!!) – Occasionally
every genealogist has a moment of sheer discovery. They are rare. I’ve had two
thus far in researching roots. The first time occurred when I was reeling
really fast through a roll of microfilm of Ste Basile parish records for Portneuf
County Québec, Canada. When I stopped I looked at the screen and there was the
signature of my great great grandfather Denis Shanaghan. It was an OMG!!
This past week I had another OMG moment. I was looking up
the record of burial at St Mary’s parish near Manchester, England for a Wroe
ancestor in 1768. There on the same page were recorded the burials for John
Wroe, son of John Wroe – 21 Jan 1768; William Wroe, son of John and Mary Wroe –
24 Nov 1768, and Mary Wroe, dau of James and Elizabeth Wroe (James the son of
John and Mary. John and Mary Wroe are my great, great, great, great
grandparents. So John and Mary lost two children and a grandchild in one
year.
Before sharing some Wroe discoveries I must acknowledge the
TREMENDOUS contributions to our Rowe/Wroe family knowledge as the result of
long hours and days of research by Wendy Wroe of England. While a family
connection is not yet proven to her line Wendy discovered a HUGE amount of data
on our line. Her efforts are the basis of my further work. Thanks Wendy!!!
New Wroe discoveries – a fuller accounting of the family of the above John and Mary Wroe
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some family
members in plot 201, St Mary’s (**) Manchester
Cathedral MC
James, chr
1741, married 1761 to Elizabeth Heyes at MC. He d
1810
@ 76; she buried 27 May 1801 **
Richard,
chr 30 Dec 1743, marr Elizabeth Holland 2 Dec 1763 MC
John
chr 1747, d 21 Jan 1768 **
Thomas
chr 1752, d 3 Mar 1776 **
Mary
chr 1755
Joseph
chr 1758, d 16 Jan 1780 **
William
chr 1760, d 24 Nov 1768 **
Elizabeth
marr William Chapman 23 Sep 1790
Alice
chr 17 Apr 1750 marr Bromley
Ann
marr Thomas Seddon 29 Mar 1791
a fuller
accounting of the family of James and
Elizabeth Wroe – some family members in plot 200, St Mary’s (**)
Manchester Cathedral MC
James, chr 1741, married Elizabeth Heyes 1761, d 1810
@ 76 **
(James’ wife) Elizabeth bur 27 May 1801**
Ann – chr 17 Jan 1768, d 13 Jan 1776 **
John chr 5 Mar
1762, d 1829 @68
Richard chr 1774,
d 1786, bur 23 Mar 1786 **
Mary d 9 Sep 1768
Martha b 1782 MC
Elizabeth chr 10 Jan 1773
Ann chr 3 Oct 1781 MC (second dau named Ann)
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Possibly the baptism 3 October 1680, of Richard Wroe, son
of John and Elizabeth Wroe. This Richard would be my great, great, great,
great, great grandfather, and John and Elizabeth would be his parents – taking
us back another generation. This remains to be verified.
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a fuller accounting of the family of Richard
and Elizabeth Wroe
(brother of the
James just noted) – some family members in plot 202,
St Mary’s (**) Manchester Cathedral MC
Thomas chr 1764, d 7 Aug 1766 @ 2Y 9M**
Richard chr 1765, d 18 Jan 1766
Elizabeth chr 1767, d 12 June 1771 @ 3Y 7M **
James chr 9 Dec 1770, marr Ann Plant 25 Apr 1799 MC. D
19 Apr
1837
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Possibly the marriage record for the Richard Wroe above
to Mary Oldham on 11 April 1705 of Broughton at St Mary’s parish. St Mary’s parish
(located in Radcliffe) has at least three family plots (200, 201, and 202) where
our Wroes are buried.
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A fuller accounting of the family of James
and Ann Wroe. They were my great great grandparents. Burial locations
unknown.
Richard Wroe chr
29 June 1800
Elisabeth
Wroe, chr 4 July 1802
Ann Wroe, chr 8
July 1804
James
Wroe, born 20 Apr 1809, chr 26 May 1809, died Feb 1813
Thomas
Wroe, born 22 Aug 1807, chr 26 May 1809
Sarah
Wroe, chr 27 Nov 1811
John Wroe, chr 3
Oct 1813
William
Wroe, chr 10 July 1816 (a
new discovery)
I copied the source data for each of these siblings’
christenings, as well as the burial record for this James. Data I captured includes
a photocopy of the original church entries (not shown). I will try to locate
burial records, which may be more uncertain.
Data for Elisabeth Wroe christening –
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Name:
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Elisabeth Wroe
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Event Type:
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Baptism
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Baptism Date:
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4 Jul 1802
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Parish:
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Father's Name:
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James Wroe
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Mother's Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Archive Roll:
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755
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Data for Ann Wroe christening –
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Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Event Type:
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Baptism
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Baptism Date:
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8 Jul 1804
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Parish:
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Father's Name:
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James Wroe
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Mother's Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Archive Roll:
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755
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Data for Thomas Wroe christening -
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Name:
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Thomas Wroe
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Age:
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1
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Event Type:
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Baptism
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Birth Date:
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22 Aug 1807
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Baptism Date:
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26 May 1809
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Parish:
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Father's Name:
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James Wroe
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Mother's Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Archive Roll:
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756
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Data for James Wroe christening -
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Name:
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James Wroe
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Age:
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0
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Event Type:
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Baptism
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Birth Date:
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20 Apr 1809
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Baptism Date:
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26 May 1809
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Parish:
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Father's Name:
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James Wroe
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Mother's Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Archive Roll:
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756
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Data for Sarah Wroe christening –
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Name:
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Sarah Wroe
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Event Type:
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Baptism
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Baptism Date:
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27 Nov 1811
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Parish:
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Father's Name:
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James Wroe
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Mother's Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Archive Roll:
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756
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Data for John Wroe christening –
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Name:
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John Wroe
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Baptism Date:
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3 Oct 1813
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Parish:
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Father's Name:
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James Wroe
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Mother's Name:
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Ann Wroe
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Archive Roll:
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756
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Data for William Wroe christening –
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St Mary’s (St Denys and St George) became Collegiate Church
and then the Manchester Cathedral (Anglican). Finding additional family members
helps to sort through the many, many Wroes in and around Manchester, and
identify (or disprove) connections to other Wroe lines with more distant
relationship.
One source, “The history and associations of Altham and
Huncoat” by Alan Ainsworth, FSA Scotland, states that the “Manor of Altham in
1784 passed to the Wroe family on the decease of the last male of the original
line of Waltons. The family of Wroe have been in the Radcliffe parish for
centuries … the name has the following variants Wro, Wroe, Wrooe, Roe, Rowe,
and Rooe.”
Future Wroe puzzles to resolve –
Plot 198 at St Mary’s parish in
Radcliffe has a J.B. Wroe noted, but my record
only
identifies that J.B. Wroe “buried … died at 30.” Are there other
Wroes
in plot 198 and are they related?
“The Great Meadow”
– Will of James Wroe, tallow chandler of Manchester,
dated 1762 (probated 20 May 1765, but
only resolved in 1835 (due my assessment the incompetence of beneficiaries and
several successive executors). The lands in question were leased for a period
of 500 years in 1724 and included over thirty acres of prime lands including
the Bare Arse Meadow and the Great Meadow.
The above will conflicts
with that below
Will of John
Wroe, Yeoman of Salford, dated in Sep/October of
1769 mentions ‘two
fields calld and known by the Name or names
of the “Great Meadow” as lands
under his lease. John’s executors were his son Richard Wroe and his brother
Thomas Wroe. The land went to his eldest son James.
What relationship was James Wroe,
tallow chandler of Manchester, to James Wroe, son of John Wroe? I expect these
James Wroes were related, but how???
The
Reverend Richard Wroe, Warden and … He
was a very noted clergyman and
orator and extremely well connected to Manchester
society. Some
acreage leased by
our Wroe ancestors was leased from
this Wroe
line, suggesting
a family connection.
Salford,
a section of Broughton bordering Kersal and other place names near
Manchester
– Marx and Engels lived in Salford, and Charles
Dickens
lived in and wrote of life in Manchester.
