Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
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CAUTION on use of
ANCESTRY.COM family trees – Richard Wroe, Margaret Stansfield and their
children … Richard and Margaret are my great. Great grandparents.
In searching for
Wroes I was trying to discover more information on James Wroe and Mary Ann
(Porter) Wroe, James the brother of my great grandfather Thomas Wroe/Rowe.
I discovered errors in the Baron Family tree on Ancestry.com
when researching Richard and Margaret (Stansfield) Wroe; I submitted COMMENTS
to correct the errors and even supplied my email address so the “owner” of
those trees could contact me to share data.
A week later when researching further I found that not only
was I not contacted, but the “Owner” had removed the comments. The errors
remain, identifying an incorrect spouse for James Wroe, the brother of my great
grandfather Thomas Wroe/Rowe.
My comment on 13 March 2014 follows: Corrections to Baron (Jane/James/Richard Wroe) family tree
ale4428f1a91b2c9949435c94852dd94733384c added this on 13 Mar
2014
Corrections/updates to Jane Wroe
tree ale4428f1a91b2c9949435c94852dd94733384c added this on 27 Feb 2014 James
Wroe, son of Margaret Stansfield and Richard Wroe, married Mary Ann Porter on
11 Feb 1849 at Manchester Cathedral. They had a son Richard in June/July 1850.
All these appeared together with Richard and Margaret in 1851 UK Cumberland
Not withstanding the CAUTION about the error filled Ancestry.com
Baron family tree above, I found one tree on Ancestry with our Wroes in it had
been updated and my comment remained in place. This was the ‘Dack family tree’
‘owned’ by ‘maxinetallon18.’ Recognizing that the owner may be related, i.e. a
CUZ, I posted a comment on 4/3/2014 with a request for contact so data could be
shared. Regrettably I have received no response.
Additionally I found another Wroe tree with the earliest male
a Thomas Wroe, married to Mary Hartley. His life from 1764 – 1812, and hers
1766 - ???. I will try to compare to the ‘wroe family tree’ I have and see if
that line, and thus the owner, ‘kilduffs,’ is tied to our tree and thus a CUZ.
This tree seemed to have a greater sense of documented sources, and may
actually prove of value.
Still another tree was, the ‘Wroe Family Tree’ owned by ‘awro-1,’
ties back to a Thomas Wroe married to Ann Mothershaw. No dates were given for
birth/death, but I can estimate and so this couple lived from abt to
abt .
I’m still working
on these links to English Wroe ancestors as I can.
MLFHS: Ordnance
Survey Maps - Six-inch England
and Wales
Thanks for this site. Am still looking to see if I can print without asking their permission. Print Screen works but you obviously get all the unwanted debris.
The National Library of Scotland have added 1st and 2nd Edition 6" OS Map ofEngland and Wales
to their online collection. They already have more recent 1:25000 maps of
England and Wales there as well as late 19th Century
25" coverage of London .
http://maps.nls.uk/os/6inch-england-and-wales/index.html
Thanks for this site. Am still looking to see if I can print without asking their permission. Print Screen works but you obviously get all the unwanted debris.
The National Library of Scotland have added 1st and 2nd Edition 6" OS Map of
http://maps.nls.uk/os/6inch-england-and-wales/index.html
MLFHS: Ordnance
Survey Maps - Six-inch England
and Wales
If you use the browse individual
maps via a zoomable map, instead of the county set, you get a gazetteer window.
Putting "Knutsford" in there brings up a modern map with red shading.
Not sure what the density of the red indicates (perhaps number of hits in the catalogue).
If you click in the centre, you will get a series of hits down the right hand
margin. In your case one full sheet XXVI (I think) and a number of quarter
sheets XXVI SW. Pick one and the first time it will take you to the new tab. If
you return here and choose another, you may have to click the descendant window
to see the new selection. Note that many of these NLS pages give a rapid
sequence
of URLs, so using back is problematic. You may be lucky if you drag down to
provide a list.
Alternatively use the Genuki Gazetteer (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Gazetteer/) which offers NLS as one of its options. The third (often hidden) option on the map bubble is "more maps", which is probably what you want, though most of the gazetteer pages have a method to get to the maps. (Many have them at the bottom of the gazetteer entry).
of URLs, so using back is problematic. You may be lucky if you drag down to
provide a list.
Alternatively use the Genuki Gazetteer (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Gazetteer/) which offers NLS as one of its options. The third (often hidden) option on the map bubble is "more maps", which is probably what you want, though most of the gazetteer pages have a method to get to the maps. (Many have them at the bottom of the gazetteer entry).
Millions of people in Quebec, in the rest of Canada and in
the United States had ancestors in France. These ancestors are surprisingly
easy to find if you know where to look and, best of all, much of the
information is available online for free.
Jacques Gagné, a longtime volunteer with the Quebec Family History Society, has put together a compilation designed to help people find their ancestors in France. It lists the archives of 94 modern departments of France in one downloadable PDF document, tells you the name of the corresponding ancient French province, and tells you what information is available and how to access it. This document is now online at http://genealogyensemble.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/department-archives-in-france/
Jacques Gagné, a longtime volunteer with the Quebec Family History Society, has put together a compilation designed to help people find their ancestors in France. It lists the archives of 94 modern departments of France in one downloadable PDF document, tells you the name of the corresponding ancient French province, and tells you what information is available and how to access it. This document is now online at http://genealogyensemble.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/department-archives-in-france/
MLFHS: 1862 property ownership records
released – Land Registry
for England and Wales
Not a great number of records there at the moment and the indexing does not seem very good.
Not a great number of records there at the moment and the indexing does not seem very good.
1862 property
ownership records released - Land Registry for England and Wales
http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/announcements/2014/1862-property-ownership-records-released
http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/announcements/2014/1862-property-ownership-records-released
MLFHS: Social Security Death Index (SSDI)
You should be aware of some of the limitations of the Social Security Death Index (SSDIA0. While it is the closest you can get to a national death index for the U.S. you must take into account who gets onto the index. Technically only those persons who had been issued a Social Security number and whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration are included on SSDI. As a rule of thumb this usually means persons who were receiving Social Security benefits at the time of their death. While there are deaths as far back as the 1940s, it is mainly in the 1960s that large numbers of deaths start to be reported. In later years (post 1970s) Social Security benefits were expanded beyond the original retirement benefits to cover certain classes of disabilities so persons receiving benefits under those disability classes at the time of their deaths would be included. Not every employee is covered by Social Security. Local government employees, including school teachers, and until the mid-1980s employees of the federal government had separate retirement systems. Many but by no means all of the people covered by these systems often worked at jobs covered by Social Security so they could pick up two pensions. As SSDI is easy to search it takes little effort to see if someone you're looking for is on the index, particularly if you have some idea as to when they were born and what their name was when they died. But it is well to keep in mind the limitations of SSDI.
You should be aware of some of the limitations of the Social Security Death Index (SSDIA0. While it is the closest you can get to a national death index for the U.S. you must take into account who gets onto the index. Technically only those persons who had been issued a Social Security number and whose deaths were reported to the Social Security Administration are included on SSDI. As a rule of thumb this usually means persons who were receiving Social Security benefits at the time of their death. While there are deaths as far back as the 1940s, it is mainly in the 1960s that large numbers of deaths start to be reported. In later years (post 1970s) Social Security benefits were expanded beyond the original retirement benefits to cover certain classes of disabilities so persons receiving benefits under those disability classes at the time of their deaths would be included. Not every employee is covered by Social Security. Local government employees, including school teachers, and until the mid-1980s employees of the federal government had separate retirement systems. Many but by no means all of the people covered by these systems often worked at jobs covered by Social Security so they could pick up two pensions. As SSDI is easy to search it takes little effort to see if someone you're looking for is on the index, particularly if you have some idea as to when they were born and what their name was when they died. But it is well to keep in mind the limitations of SSDI.
MLFHS: Social Security Death Index (SSDI)
In addition to what MLFHS member mentioned, the Social Security Death Index is the only national register of deaths in the US. Since Social Security started in the mid-1930s, the index only started recording several years later. This index is on Ancestry and other sources, so if the people you are looking for don't show up on that nor on the 1940 federal census, it's most likely that they died before 1940. If the daughter was still alive in 1940, she should be on that census, but if she married, it would be impossible to find her without knowing her married name.
Our society was not nearly as mobile back then as now, so it's very possible that the death and marriage records you are looking for are kept by the City Of Boston. Try their web site at cityofboston.gov/registry. Not knowing the exact dates, will require some research of the records, but they will do some small research for a fee or you could hire a researcher in Boston to go there and search the records. I've researched the microfilm records in NY, and if the Boston files are similar, I think it should take an experienced researcher no more than an hour to go through the ten year period. If a marriage record could be found, that would open up the 1940 census for a lot of more information.
In addition to what MLFHS member mentioned, the Social Security Death Index is the only national register of deaths in the US. Since Social Security started in the mid-1930s, the index only started recording several years later. This index is on Ancestry and other sources, so if the people you are looking for don't show up on that nor on the 1940 federal census, it's most likely that they died before 1940. If the daughter was still alive in 1940, she should be on that census, but if she married, it would be impossible to find her without knowing her married name.
Our society was not nearly as mobile back then as now, so it's very possible that the death and marriage records you are looking for are kept by the City Of Boston. Try their web site at cityofboston.gov/registry. Not knowing the exact dates, will require some research of the records, but they will do some small research for a fee or you could hire a researcher in Boston to go there and search the records. I've researched the microfilm records in NY, and if the Boston files are similar, I think it should take an experienced researcher no more than an hour to go through the ten year period. If a marriage record could be found, that would open up the 1940 census for a lot of more information.
MLFHS: Tracing a birth in Wales
Forgot to include to the List - sorry......
http://forebears.co.uk/wales/caernarfonshire/llandygai
Forgot to include to the List - sorry......
http://forebears.co.uk/wales/caernarfonshire/llandygai
MLFHS: Tracing a birth in Wales
Not sure if this will help, but...In Ireland, "Ro(d)gers" is an Anglicization of McCrory / McRory / McGrory. Maybe it's similarly an Anglicization of another name in Wales, and the marriage / other records need to be searched for that name, as well?
Not sure if this will help, but...In Ireland, "Ro(d)gers" is an Anglicization of McCrory / McRory / McGrory. Maybe it's similarly an Anglicization of another name in Wales, and the marriage / other records need to be searched for that name, as well?
MLFHS: Tracing a birth in Wales
I would suggest: Caernarfon Record Office, Victoria Dock, Caernarfon: Caernarfon Record Office location map
a.. 01286 679095
b.. archives.caernarfon@gwynedd.gov.uk
c.. Post: Caernarfon Record Office, Council Offices, Shirehall Street,
Caernarfon, Gwynedd, LL55 1SH http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/
and the National Library of Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/
I would suggest: Caernarfon Record Office, Victoria Dock, Caernarfon: Caernarfon Record Office location map
a.. 01286 679095
b.. archives.caernarfon@gwynedd.gov.uk
c.. Post: Caernarfon Record Office, Council Offices, Shirehall Street,
Caernarfon, Gwynedd, LL55 1SH http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/
and the National Library of Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/
MLFHS: Find My Past – Trouble with
downloading images reply
In case it helps anyone having problems I took the advice given in the reply that you received from Find My Past to use Google Chrome browser and it works far better than my usual browser, Firefox for downloading images.
In case it helps anyone having problems I took the advice given in the reply that you received from Find My Past to use Google Chrome browser and it works far better than my usual browser, Firefox for downloading images.
I have just
downloaded in very quick time two 1841 census pages that I had tried
unsuccessfully to download yesterday. I waited for upwards of ten minutes
at each attempt yesterday using Firefox and the image still didn't load but
today less than one minute using Google Chrome and the image appeared on the
screen.
Many thanks for
sharing the useful reply from Find My Past with us all. Using patience and
keeping calm I am managing to navigate round the new website more successfully
than I was when I first encountered the new site.
MLFHS: A bit of a puzzle – Catholic BMD records in UK
You have provided details of the marriage. I would suggest that when you manage to access the Cheshire Collection and look at St Vincent de Paul's Baptism Register, you look for any DOOLEY baptisms between 1864 and 1870 whilst Margaret was single and then for the baptism of William BURGESS after his date of birth. The interval between birth and baptism seems to be dependent on local custom at the time, and may range from a few days (baptised on the Sunday after the birth) to a few weeks, and today can be a few years if the parents want their child educated in a Catholic school.
Although she was baptised as a Catholic they were married in an Anglican church but when she died she was interred in the Roman Catholic section of Weaste Cemetery Salford. I have wondered if there could have been a Catholic marriage as well as the Anglican one but have not been able to trace such an event.
Marriage, like baptism, is somewhat date dependent. The law of the Catholic Church was consolidated and made consistent across the world in 1908 in a document 'Ne Temere'. It is this set of rules that most of us, Catholic and non-Catholic, know about. Before this date, the church law was not quite as specific. Even though England and Wales had had Bishops since 1850, they
were still considered a mission country and because of local circumstances were allowed some variation in church law. Under Hardwicke's Act, for a marriage to be recognised in civil law, it had to take place in a licensed Anglican church before an authorised minister (plus other rules).
You have provided details of the marriage. I would suggest that when you manage to access the Cheshire Collection and look at St Vincent de Paul's Baptism Register, you look for any DOOLEY baptisms between 1864 and 1870 whilst Margaret was single and then for the baptism of William BURGESS after his date of birth. The interval between birth and baptism seems to be dependent on local custom at the time, and may range from a few days (baptised on the Sunday after the birth) to a few weeks, and today can be a few years if the parents want their child educated in a Catholic school.
Although she was baptised as a Catholic they were married in an Anglican church but when she died she was interred in the Roman Catholic section of Weaste Cemetery Salford. I have wondered if there could have been a Catholic marriage as well as the Anglican one but have not been able to trace such an event.
Marriage, like baptism, is somewhat date dependent. The law of the Catholic Church was consolidated and made consistent across the world in 1908 in a document 'Ne Temere'. It is this set of rules that most of us, Catholic and non-Catholic, know about. Before this date, the church law was not quite as specific. Even though England and Wales had had Bishops since 1850, they
were still considered a mission country and because of local circumstances were allowed some variation in church law. Under Hardwicke's Act, for a marriage to be recognised in civil law, it had to take place in a licensed Anglican church before an authorised minister (plus other rules).
At this time, some Catholics would
be married in the Anglican Church and then in the Catholic chapel, or the other way round, so that they
observed the civil and the church
law.
The Catholic
clergy recognised the practical problems this presented and while they did not approve such
arrangements, accepted that marriage in
the Anglican Church was a valid, if irregular, marriage. One of the reasons for the introduction of the civil
registration of marriages was the increasing number of non-Anglicans not using
the Anglican Church for marriage.
This maintained the position of the Anglican Church as the senior provider of marriage services and provided a Registrar
for the marriage of non-Anglicans either
in his Office or in their own chapel, provided the Registrar attended. So there was no need for
Margaret to marry in an
Anglican church? There was no need, but in some places the tradition of marriage in the Anglican Church was strong and people 'always' married in the Parish Church. The Catholic clergy continued to accept such marriages as valid but irregular. It was only with the 1908 decree that Catholics had to be married in a Catholic church or be considered to have taken themselves outside the Church.
Hope this helps, even if it is a bit long winded.
Anglican church? There was no need, but in some places the tradition of marriage in the Anglican Church was strong and people 'always' married in the Parish Church. The Catholic clergy continued to accept such marriages as valid but irregular. It was only with the 1908 decree that Catholics had to be married in a Catholic church or be considered to have taken themselves outside the Church.
Hope this helps, even if it is a bit long winded.
MLFHS: Irish in Manchester
Interesting link for you to try....
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmayo2/manchester_irish_census_stgeorge_16-29_1841.html It lists names and occupations/1841.
Interesting link for you to try....
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmayo2/manchester_irish_census_stgeorge_16-29_1841.html It lists names and occupations/1841.
MLFHS: Non Gen - new passwords required.
ref Heartbleed bug
There was something on the TV about this about this a couple of days ago and all the usual calls to have completely different passwords on every site, all with random characters and changed every week or so. And of course none to be written down!
It was said that the hackers have programs that can run through a million passwords attempts very quickly. Surely any decent system should detect repeated attempts to access something by trying different passwords?
There was something on the TV about this about this a couple of days ago and all the usual calls to have completely different passwords on every site, all with random characters and changed every week or so. And of course none to be written down!
It was said that the hackers have programs that can run through a million passwords attempts very quickly. Surely any decent system should detect repeated attempts to access something by trying different passwords?
Over the last few days a couple of my friends have had to reset their passwords to various sites, my sister this morning for instance could not use her BT password to the Internet. When she phoned them this morning, she was told to reset her password with a number ,upper and lower case letters and speech mark.
This is in line with the recommendations made in the Mumsnet letter sent to their customers early this week about the . It would appear that the bigger companies have issued patches, but that there might be some gaps.
I have not seen any other warnings. Summary follows -
On Friday 11 April, it became apparent that what is widely known as the 'Heartbleed bug' had been used to access data from Mumsnet users? accounts.
Heartbleed is a security hole that existed in OpenSSL, the security framework which most websites around the world use. There?s a summary of Heartbleed and its effects
here <http://email.mumsnet.com/re?l=D0Ivf8im3I6zw45f8I1>
On Thursday 10 April we at MNHQ became aware of the bug and immediately ran tests to see if the Mumsnet servers were vulnerable. As soon as it became apparent that we were, we applied the fix to close the OpenSSL security hole (*known as the Heartbleed patch*). However, it seems that users? Data was accessed prior to our applying this fix.
So, over the weekend, we decided we needed to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. So, you will no longer be able to log in to Mumsnetwith a password that you chose before 5.45pm on Saturday April 12, 2014.If you haven?t changed your password yet, you can do so here <http://email.mumsnet.com/re?l=D0Ivf8im3I6zw45f8I2>.
We know this has been an enormous pain in the rear end for some of you, and we’re really sorry about that. We are aware that some reset emails aren’t turning up quickly enough.
We believe it’s a problem with some email providers, who are struggling with the amount of automated mail that is being generated by lots of big sites requiring users to change passwords at this time.
We’ve now made the reset links in the mails last for longer (48 hours) so that they don’t expire before you’ve seen them. Please do, though, mail us at contactus@mumsnet.com if you need any help.
