The entries below are a continuation (from last HICUZ Blog post) of the eclectic mix of posts to the Manchester Liverpool Family History Society (MLFHS) of which I’m a member. Again please enjoy the differences in English between here and across the pond.
MLFHS: Carlisle RO (Records Office)
For those who are interested in records from Cumberland, the north of the county and Carlisle in particular, the new RO opens to the public from Wednesday of this week after some 15mths of being closed due to the new site being built and existing buildings being renovated. Having just driven past the new building this afternoon, I can say that it looks fabulous.
They are not going to open on Mondays, but are planning to open on the first Saturday of each month, which is a godsend to folk like me who work full time! Just thought that it was worth mentioning.
MLFHS: Carlisle RO
For those who are interested in records from Cumberland, the north of the county and Carlisle in particular, the new RO opens to the public from Wednesday of this week after some 15mths of being closed due to the new site being built and existing buildings being renovated. Having just driven past the new building this afternoon, I can say that it looks fabulous.
They are not going to open on Mondays, but are planning to open on the first Saturday of each month, which is a godsend to folk like me who work full time! Just thought that it was worth mentioning.
MLFHS: Carlisle RO
Thanks for posting this Karen. I don't know when I'll be able to return to Carlisle but it's good to know the new place is finally ready. Though for me the Castle was the perfect position when staying in Carlisle and not having transport. I remember having the place
pointed out to me by a local friend and I felt it was quite out of the way for visitors using public transport. So many record offices now seem to close on a Monday which makes it inconvenient for those planning a long weekend.
pointed out to me by a local friend and I felt it was quite out of the way for visitors using public transport. So many record offices now seem to close on a Monday which makes it inconvenient for those planning a long weekend.
MLFHS: Non gen: In the cloud for how long?
I've been pondering for a while as to what will happen to my online albums, documents, family trees, blogs etc when I become seriously ill or I depart this world for what I hope will be a better life. Some of these albums are public albums and people will continue to be able to see them but for how long? If there is no input from me over a period of time does the service provider delete my account? I know that my family would not be interested and in any case their time too would be limited. I'd be interested to hear what others think on this?
I've been pondering for a while as to what will happen to my online albums, documents, family trees, blogs etc when I become seriously ill or I depart this world for what I hope will be a better life. Some of these albums are public albums and people will continue to be able to see them but for how long? If there is no input from me over a period of time does the service provider delete my account? I know that my family would not be interested and in any case their time too would be limited. I'd be interested to hear what others think on this?
MLFHS: Non gen: In the cloud for how long?
I would be interested to read other views on this as well as it is of some concern to me too. I suspect much of the online details will not be kept indefinitely, and I have always been wary of putting every last detail on line anyway as I have seen too many examples of family trees copied non too accurately, just to increase someone’s overall total of head hunted ancestors. Perhaps I am wrong and should be posting my tree all over the internet in the hope that some of it will survive somewhere.
I keep an updated copy of Roots Magic on CD and on my computer, but this media storage will be obsolete one day. I also keep printed trees and family files in folders, and photos of course, I suspect the old sepia photos will last much longer than the newer digital prints. And how do I preserve details of the scandalous behaviour and the tragedies and triumphs I have carefully recorded over the years? Will the print eventually fade and the details be lost forever?
MLFHS: Non gen: In the cloud for how long?
I found this on Googling What happens to my photos after death. One site even talks about having a digital executor for online photos. What happens though when the executor dies? It's interesting to see so many people looking at the problem?
I would be interested to read other views on this as well as it is of some concern to me too. I suspect much of the online details will not be kept indefinitely, and I have always been wary of putting every last detail on line anyway as I have seen too many examples of family trees copied non too accurately, just to increase someone’s overall total of head hunted ancestors. Perhaps I am wrong and should be posting my tree all over the internet in the hope that some of it will survive somewhere.
I keep an updated copy of Roots Magic on CD and on my computer, but this media storage will be obsolete one day. I also keep printed trees and family files in folders, and photos of course, I suspect the old sepia photos will last much longer than the newer digital prints. And how do I preserve details of the scandalous behaviour and the tragedies and triumphs I have carefully recorded over the years? Will the print eventually fade and the details be lost forever?
MLFHS: Non gen: In the cloud for how long?
I found this on Googling What happens to my photos after death. One site even talks about having a digital executor for online photos. What happens though when the executor dies? It's interesting to see so many people looking at the problem?
MLFHS: Burial Records: Multiple Grave Entries
These types of graves are quite common, at least in the Manchester area. They go by various names. Sometimes they are called "public" graves, probably to indicate that unlike regular family plots the sites were not privately owned. They are also called "Inscription" graves in that the burial cost usually included the inscription of the name of the deceased on the tombstone. The main reason for this kind of burial was simply economic. A regular burial involved buying a plot, paying for the grave-diggers to
open the grave, and paying for a stone (or stones if side and footstones were in fashion).
In Gorton cemetery these graves are in sections that were visibly different from the regular private plots because they consisted of three or four rows of identical smallish headstone. I believe it was the same in Philips Park cemetery. However, my limited experience with that cemetery suggests that some or all of this type of burial involved a stone which lay on the ground rather than standing upright. Droylsden cemetery has a couple of sections of public graves, but it is much smaller than Gorton and the tombstones in the section are not obviously different from the surrounding stones as is true in Gorton cemetery.
If you check the dates of burial on inscription dates you will find that they tend to be around the same time. From what I have been able to tell looking at the sections in Gorton it appears that burials in these graves were handled with minimizing costs being an important consideration. Looking at the information of the persons buried in them also suggests that a significant proportion of those buried in them were infants or children.
This is one of the reasons why the cemetery authorities were able to put so many persons in each grave were listed on each tombstone.
A concise definition of the various forms of graves can be found at the Friends of Beckett Street Cemetery site: www.beckettstreetcemetery.org.uk/. Click on the "Types of Graves in the Cemetery" reference found on the lower right hand side of the page under the heading "Popular."
MLFHS: RE: Dandelion Beer
Used to get Wild's (of Heywood) Dandelion and Burdock from the "Top Temp" in Rochdale Rd Middleton. 5d for a big bottle with one penny off for the return. A treat with Sunday Dinner.
Digging a drain at our mill recently we unearthed a Wild's bottle but no screw top, probably too late to return and get the penny deposit back.
I found this recipe in my copy of Home Brewed Beers and Stouts by C J J Berry, published 1963 -
These types of graves are quite common, at least in the Manchester area. They go by various names. Sometimes they are called "public" graves, probably to indicate that unlike regular family plots the sites were not privately owned. They are also called "Inscription" graves in that the burial cost usually included the inscription of the name of the deceased on the tombstone. The main reason for this kind of burial was simply economic. A regular burial involved buying a plot, paying for the grave-diggers to
open the grave, and paying for a stone (or stones if side and footstones were in fashion).
In Gorton cemetery these graves are in sections that were visibly different from the regular private plots because they consisted of three or four rows of identical smallish headstone. I believe it was the same in Philips Park cemetery. However, my limited experience with that cemetery suggests that some or all of this type of burial involved a stone which lay on the ground rather than standing upright. Droylsden cemetery has a couple of sections of public graves, but it is much smaller than Gorton and the tombstones in the section are not obviously different from the surrounding stones as is true in Gorton cemetery.
If you check the dates of burial on inscription dates you will find that they tend to be around the same time. From what I have been able to tell looking at the sections in Gorton it appears that burials in these graves were handled with minimizing costs being an important consideration. Looking at the information of the persons buried in them also suggests that a significant proportion of those buried in them were infants or children.
This is one of the reasons why the cemetery authorities were able to put so many persons in each grave were listed on each tombstone.
A concise definition of the various forms of graves can be found at the Friends of Beckett Street Cemetery site: www.beckettstreetcemetery.org.uk/. Click on the "Types of Graves in the Cemetery" reference found on the lower right hand side of the page under the heading "Popular."
MLFHS: RE: Dandelion Beer
Used to get Wild's (of Heywood) Dandelion and Burdock from the "Top Temp" in Rochdale Rd Middleton. 5d for a big bottle with one penny off for the return. A treat with Sunday Dinner.
Digging a drain at our mill recently we unearthed a Wild's bottle but no screw top, probably too late to return and get the penny deposit back.
I found this recipe in my copy of Home Brewed Beers and Stouts by C J J Berry, published 1963 -
Half a lb young dandelion roots; 1 lb demerara sugar; 1 lemon; Yeast; 1 gallon water
Half an oz of root ginger; 1 oz cream of tartar.
Half an oz of root ginger; 1 oz cream of tartar.
This is a pleasant drink and said to be good for stomach disorders. The young plants should be lifted in the spring, and well washed. Leave the thick tap roots but remove the fibrous ones. Put the plants, the well bruised ginger and the rind of the lemon (excluding any white pith)in the water and boil for twenty minutes. Strain onto the sugar, the juice of the lemon and cream of tartar, and stir until dissolved. Cool to 70 degrees fahrenheit, add yeast and ferment (covered) in a warm place for three days. Bottle in screw stopper bottles.
NB I haven't made this myself; I preferred to make home made wine.
NB I haven't made this myself; I preferred to make home made wine.
MLFHS: Dandilion and Burdock
The word "beer" never entered our thoughts when we crossed the road from Long St
Methodist Church to visit the Temperence bar to purchase our less potent drink of Dandilion and Burdock!!
I was in the 16th Middleton Cubs, the Scouts and the Youth Club, all attached to the Church, but, in those stricter days, have to confess I refused to sign the Teetotal Pledge!
MLFHS: Dandelion Beer
No Sorry Colin I cannot recall that one but what I do remember was Mawsons used to sell packets of home brew. Stout and my dad used to brew this in our cellar it was as black as coal and very fizzy the corks where forever popping of and he had to reseal them and try to tie them down to the neck of the bottle; he also had me collecting dandelion leaves and dock leaves from the West St site (where the council offices are now) and he would brew them and make dandelion and burdock very nice and tasty.
MLFHS: Dandelion Beer
I remember my parents making some dandelion beer about 60 years ago, made from the whole plant, flowers, roots and leaves, all boiled. They bottled it and stored it in the coal-(and everything else-)cellar, which was beneath our living room. Later we heard a series of explosions, and went down to the cellar to find the bottles blowing their corks right, left and centre.
Strangely enough, I dug up some dandelion plants from my garden a week or two ago, and rather than waste them, I remembered my parent's experience, and decided to try to follow their example. It may not have been Guinness, but it was drinkable.
I had to guess quantities. Does anyone have a recipe?
MLFHS: Dandelion Beer
This recipe is from my great grandmother's book 'Consult Me For All You Want
to Know' published by John Heywood in 1866.
DANDELION BEER.- Dandelion root, 1/2 lb to 1 gallon of water; boil well, and
when cooled to new milk warm, add 1 lb sugar, 1 oz ginger, a lemon and 1 oz
cream of tartar. Add a little yeast. It is very good for the liver and digestion. Young nettles, balm, or any other herb may be treated in the same way. Cedric
MLFHS: RE: Dandelion Beer
I found this recipe in my copy of Home Brewed Beers and Stouts by C J J Berry, published 1963: Half a lb young dandelion roots; 1 lb demerara sugar; 1 lemon
I found this recipe in my copy of Home Brewed Beers and Stouts by C J J Berry, published 1963: Half a lb young dandelion roots; 1 lb demerara sugar; 1 lemon
; Yeast; 1 gallon water; Half an oz of root ginger; 1 oz cream of tartar
This is a pleasant drink and said to be good for stomach disorders. The young plants should be lifted in the spring, and well washed. Leave the thick tap roots but remove the fibrous ones. Put the plants, the well bruised ginger and the rind of the lemon (excluding any white pith) in the water and boil for twenty minutes. Strain onto the sugar, the juice of the lemon and cream of tartar, and stir until dissolved. Cool to 70 degrees Fahrenheit, add yeast and ferment (covered) in a warm place for three days. Bottle in screw stopper bottles.
This is a pleasant drink and said to be good for stomach disorders. The young plants should be lifted in the spring, and well washed. Leave the thick tap roots but remove the fibrous ones. Put the plants, the well bruised ginger and the rind of the lemon (excluding any white pith) in the water and boil for twenty minutes. Strain onto the sugar, the juice of the lemon and cream of tartar, and stir until dissolved. Cool to 70 degrees Fahrenheit, add yeast and ferment (covered) in a warm place for three days. Bottle in screw stopper bottles.
NB I haven't made this myself, I preferred to make home made wine.
CRRL (Day job) - A patron at the library today shared a source of digitized old British records. British History On Line offers (fee based membership) copies of quite old documents, some the patron accessed on line were from 1360s. The cost is thirty pounds per year, about $45.00. Check it out at
CRRL (Day job) - A patron at the library today shared a source of digitized old British records. British History On Line offers (fee based membership) copies of quite old documents, some the patron accessed on line were from 1360s. The cost is thirty pounds per year, about $45.00. Check it out at
Additionally he mentioned Google Books as a source of digitized reference documents. I plan to investigate both sources further (sometime I have a spare moment).
MLFHS: LancashireBMD - New data
Hi - New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows:
Added 6,006 Births for Manchester RD comprising: Market Street (1837-1844)
Added 1,823 Births for North Sefton RD comprising: Formby (1847-1851); North Meols (1847-1851)
Amended 30,989 Births for Wigan & Leigh RD to include mother's maiden name, comprising: Lowton (1856-1878); Hindley (1874-1878); Standish (1884-1901); Wigan (1879-1885)
Added 7,997 Deaths for Oldham RD comprising: Oldham Above Town (1861-1871)
Added 10,476 Marriages for Bolton RD comprising: Bolton, Friends Meeting House (1987-1988); Bolton, Tonge Moor Congregational Church, Starkie Road (1988-1992); Egerton, Congregational Chapel / Utd Reformed Church (1987-1992); Bolton, St Paul, Astley Bridge (1987-1992); Bolton, Hebron Hall, Mayor Street / Gospel Hall, Commission Street (1991-1991); Little Lever, Wesleyan Methodist Church, Herbert Street / Wesleyan Chapel, Mytham Road (1987-1992); Farnworth, Congregational Church, Albert Road (1987-1992); Kearsley, Wesleyan Chapel, Manchester Road (1987-1992); Bolton, Bank Street Chapel (1988-1992); Bolton, Zion Baptist Church, St John Street (1990-1990); Blackrod, St Katherine (1987-1992); Farnworth, Congregational Church, Market Street (1987-1992); Bolton, Congregational Church, Chorley Old Road / Avondale Street (1987-1990); Bolton, Daubhill Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens Road, Rumworth (1987-1992); Bolton, Wesleyan Church, Chorley Old Road, Smithills (1987-1992); Bolton, Delph Hill Wesleyan Chapel, Smithills (1987-1992); Bolton, Trinity Methodist Chapel, Tonge / Wesleyan Chapel, Bury Road, Tonge (1987-1992); Bolton, Emmanuel Parish Church (1987-1992); Horwich, Lee Chapel, Lee Lane (1987-1990); Harwood, Primitive Methodist Chapel, Tottington Road (1987-1991); Bolton, Congregational Church, Blackburn Road (1987-1987); Harwood, Wesleyan Chapel, Longsight (1987-1992); Blackrod, Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, New Street (1987-1992); Bolton, Deane Congregational Church (1987-1991); Horwich, Independent Methodist Chapel, Lee Lane (1988-1992); Bolton, St Bede (1987-1992); Bolton, Mornington Presbyterian Church, Somerset Road / Somerset Road URC (1987-1992); Bolton, St Georges Road Congregational Church (1987-1992); Westhoughton, Bethel Chapel, Park Road (1987-1992); Bolton, St Matthew (1987-1992); Bolton, Wesleyan Chapel, Seymour Road, Astley Bridge (1987-1992); Little Lever, Independent Chapel, Market Street
(1987-1991); Horwich, New Chapel (1987-1992); Bolton, Utd Reformed Church, Bank Top, Sharples (1987-1992); Bolton, Independent Methodist Chapel, Dixon Street (1988-1992); Bolton, St Paul, Deansgate (1987-1990); Turton, Wesleyan Chapel, Birtenshaw (1987-1992); Bolton, Halliwell Road Free Church (1988-1992); Kearsley, New Jerusalem Church, Bolton Road (1987-1992); Bolton, Victoria Hall, Knowsley Street (1987-1992); Horwich, Brunswick Chapel, Victoria Road (1987-1991); Bolton, St Peter (1987-1992); Egerton, Walmsley Unitarian Chapel (1987-1992); Bolton, Methodist Church, Bury Road, Breightmet (1987-1992); Bolton, Holiness Tabernacle, Southend Street (1987-1992); Bolton, Halliwell Methodist Chapel, Harvey Street (1987-1992); Bolton, Castle Hill Methodist Church/St Andrews Methodist Church, Tonge Moor Road (1987-1991); Bolton, St Philip (1987-1992); Bolton, Bethel Church, Albert Place, Clarence Street (1991-1991); Bolton, Methodist School Chapel, St Helens Road (1987-1992); Bolton, St Columba's Church, Ripley Street (1987-1992); Bolton, Rose Hill Congregational Church, Bradford Road (1987-1992); Westhoughton, Westhoughton Methodist Church, Wigan Road (1987-1992); Bolton, Methodist Church, Melbourne Road, Deane (1987-1992); Bolton, Methodist Chapel, Plodder Lane (1987-1990); Bolton, SS Simon & Jude (1987-1992); Farnworth, Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, Plodder Lane (1987-1992); Bolton, Congregational Church, Red Lane (1987-1991); Horwich, Methodist Chapel (1990-1990); Bolton, Methodist Chapel, Chew Moor, Lostock (1987-1992); Bolton, St Thomas of Canterbury (1987-1992); Bolton, Lee Clough Mission, Old Road, Astley Bridge (1987-1992); Bolton Le Moors, Holy Trinity (1987-1990); Bolton, St Ethelbert, Hawthorne Street (1987-1992); Bolton, St William of York, Lever Edge Lane (1987-1992); Bolton, Kingdom Hall, Jethro Street (1987-1992); Westhoughton, Sacred Heart Church, Lord Street (1987-1992); Bolton, St Osmond's Catholic Church (1987-1992); Farnworth, Baptist Chapel (1987-1992); Bolton, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Gaskell Street (1987-1989); Bolton, St Mary, Chorley New Road (1987-1992); Bolton, Kingdom Hall, Moss Bank Way (1987-1990); Bradshaw, St Maxentius (1987-1992); Bromely Cross, St John the Evangelist, The Crescent (1987-1992); Bolton, St Mary, Palace Street (1987-1987); Bolton, St Patrick, Great Moor Street (1987-1992); Bolton, Bolton Pentecostal Church, Crawford Street (1989-1992); Bolton, Independent Methodist Chapel, Chalfont Street (1987-1990); Bolton, St Brendan's R C Church (1987-1992); Bolton, St Gregory the Great (1987-1992); Bolton, Utd Reformed Church, Bury Road (1988-1988); Westhoughton, Independent Methodist Church, Dicconson Lane (1987-1992); Bolton, Holy Infant & St Anthony, Baxendale Street (1987-1992); Bolton, St George the Martyr (1987-1991); Daubhill, Rose Hill Kingdom Hall, Noble St. (1987-1992); Bolton, Claremont, St Georges Road (1987-1992); Little Lever, Kingdom Hall, Mytham Road (1988-1991); Bolton, SS Peter & Paul R C Church (1987-1992); Bolton, St Edmund's Church (1989-1992); Bolton, St Mary the Virgin, Deane Parish Church (1987-1992); Bolton, St Thomas, Dixon Green (1987-1991); Farnworth, All Saints (1989-1992); Farnworth & Kearsley Parish Church, St John The Evangelist (1987-1992); Farnworth, St Peter (1987-1992); Bolton, St Michael, Great Lever (1987-1992); Bolton, St Luke, Halliwell (1987-1992); Bolton, St Margaret, Halliwell (1987-1992); Bolton, St Paul, Halliwell (1987-1992); Bolton, St Peter, Halliwell (1987-1992); Bolton, St Thomas, Halliwell (1987-1992); Bolton, Smithills Hall Chapel (1987-1992); Harwood, Christ Church (1987-1992); Bolton, Christ Church, Heaton (1987-1992); Horwich, Holy Trinity Church (1987-1992); Horwich, St Catherine (1987-1992); Horwich, St Elizabeth (1987-1992); Kearsley, St Stephen (1987-1992); Bolton, St Stephen, Lever Bridge (1987-1992); Little Lever, St Mathew (1987-1992); Bolton, St Thomas & St John, Lostock (1987-1992); Farnworth, St James, New Bury (1987-1992); Over Hulton, St Andrew (1988-1991); Prestolee, The Holy Trinity Church (1987-1992); Ringley, St Saviours (1987-1992); Bolton, St James, Breightmet (1987-1992); Bolton, St Chad, Tonge Fold (1987-1992); Bolton, St Augustine, Tonge Moor (1987-1992); Bolton, St Aidan, Hall i'th Wood (1987-1992); Breightmet, St John the Evangelist [Top o'th' Moss], Breightmet Dve/Brodick Dve (1987-1990); Walmsley, Christ Church (1987-1992); Westhoughton, St Bartholomew (1987-1992); Westhoughton, St James (1987-1992); Westhoughton, St John, Wingates (1987-1992); Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended (1987-1992
Thanks to Alan & Mary Walsh, Phil Wharram, Derek Shearson, Colin Wood and John Wogan for the above.
MLFHS: Liverpool area.
The parish church of Liverpool was St. Mary's on the Hill, in the township of Walton on the Hill until 1699. Then Liverpool was designated a separate parish and construction began on St. Peter's, which was consecrated in 1704. The church was on what is now, of
course, Church Street, in the city centre. It was demolished in 1922, and a brass cross in the pavement marks the site of the high altar.
Formby was at that time one of a string of settlements northwards along the Irish Sea Coast. I believe there is a St. Peters Church there now but I do not know if it was open for business then. As Formby is only about fifteen miles from Liverpool I imagine somebody looking for work might walk there, as Liverpool was beginning to expand.
With regard to "Popish Marriages", who knows. Your copper bottomed R.C. would not consider marriage before a C. of E. parson as valid, but your lukewarm member, wishing to seem to fit in with the rest of the community, might, especially if the other party were C. of E.
My Scots Presbyterian grandfather married a Welsh chapel girl in a C. of E. church in 1873, and both they and their children thereafter attended a Presbyterian church. One sometimes wonders at the thought processes of one's ancestors. But I suppose we in turn are storing up problems for our descendants.
Thanks to Alan & Mary Walsh, Phil Wharram, Derek Shearson, Colin Wood and John Wogan for the above.
MLFHS: Liverpool area.
The parish church of Liverpool was St. Mary's on the Hill, in the township of Walton on the Hill until 1699. Then Liverpool was designated a separate parish and construction began on St. Peter's, which was consecrated in 1704. The church was on what is now, of
course, Church Street, in the city centre. It was demolished in 1922, and a brass cross in the pavement marks the site of the high altar.
Formby was at that time one of a string of settlements northwards along the Irish Sea Coast. I believe there is a St. Peters Church there now but I do not know if it was open for business then. As Formby is only about fifteen miles from Liverpool I imagine somebody looking for work might walk there, as Liverpool was beginning to expand.
With regard to "Popish Marriages", who knows. Your copper bottomed R.C. would not consider marriage before a C. of E. parson as valid, but your lukewarm member, wishing to seem to fit in with the rest of the community, might, especially if the other party were C. of E.
My Scots Presbyterian grandfather married a Welsh chapel girl in a C. of E. church in 1873, and both they and their children thereafter attended a Presbyterian church. One sometimes wonders at the thought processes of one's ancestors. But I suppose we in turn are storing up problems for our descendants.
MLFHS: Non gen: In the cloud for how long?
Some years ago I attended a talk about the Mormon church and their use of records. The re-baptising/re-marriage of related ancestors is part of their faith. However it was explained that the (dead) person concerned could refuse.
My personal vision is of my now deceased grandmother telling them what they could do with their re-baptism etc. She was a no-nonsense very High Anglican member of the Church of England who even considered a born-again Christian to be suspect! She would have a field day with the Mormons!
As I have my own faith I personally have no problem with anyone's belief in the re-baptism etc.
I attended the FHC at a local Mormon church for a number of years and while they never tried to discuss religion with me I did get the impression that I could contribute details from my family history by filling out a form. It may be done differently these days but you would have to be prepared for your ancestors probably being 'taken' (can't remember their word for it) into the Mormon church. I have never been a member of that church.
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MLFHS: Toolbar for Chrome
I think this is a case of being too successful for your own good. Since CyndisList has no focus beyond the site having a genealogical connection, it is condemned to covering a massive number of links and finding what you want consequently has become more difficult. It remains a useful site when you are looking for information on an unfamiliar topic, but more localised lists and toolbars are much easier to use for day-to-day work. There is certainly a place for both, but given how difficult it is for me to keep around 500 links current, the work involved in CyndisList's 305,508 (as of today) strikes terror into my heart!
I think this is a case of being too successful for your own good. Since CyndisList has no focus beyond the site having a genealogical connection, it is condemned to covering a massive number of links and finding what you want consequently has become more difficult. It remains a useful site when you are looking for information on an unfamiliar topic, but more localised lists and toolbars are much easier to use for day-to-day work. There is certainly a place for both, but given how difficult it is for me to keep around 500 links current, the work involved in CyndisList's 305,508 (as of today) strikes terror into my heart!
MLFHS: What's new in the last week on the Lancashire OPC
Hi listers, Here's what's new: 7 June 2011
Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1683 to 1730 and Marriages 1754 to 1784 and 1813 to 1837 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Goosnargh
Marriages 1925 to 1938 from the Parish of Great Sankey
Marriages 1837 to 1861 from St David, Haigh
Baptisms 1892 to 1911 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Hindley
Baptisms 1663 to 1673 and Burials 1664 to 1673 from the Parish of Hoole
Baptisms 1753 to 1795 and Burials 1695 to 1712 and 1737 to 1753 from the Church of the Holy Trinity, Horwich
Baptisms 1751 to 1765 and 1779 to 1785 from New Chapel Independent, in the Parish of Horwich
Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1712 to 1731 from St Michael in the Parish of Kirkham
Baptisms 1827 to 1836 from All Saints in the Town of Wigan
6 June 2011
Marriages 1893 to 1901 from St St John the Evangelist, in the Parish of Farnworth with Kearsley
Banns 1865 to 1884 from Christ Church, Fulwood in Preston
Baptisms 1839 to 1856 from St Thomas, Eccleston, in the Parish of St Helens
Baptisms 1820 to 1822 from St John in the Town of Preston
Baptisms 1880 to 1890 from the Church of St Thomas in the Town of Preston
4 June 2011
Baptisms 1881 to 1907 from Stamford St Wesleyan Methodist in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne
Banns 1884 to 1900 from the Parish of Caton
Burials 1784 to 1808 from the Parish of Church Kirk
Baptisms 1793 to 1812 and Burials 1595 to 1657 and 1794 to 1812 from the Parish of Cockerham
Burials 1811 to 1825 from the Parish of Colton
3 June 2011
Banns and Marriages 1900 from the Church of St Paul, Blackpool
Baptisms 1819 to 1837 from Duke's Alley Congregation of Protestant Dissenters, Bolton
Burials 1841 to 1900 from the Church of St James, Briercliffe
Burials 1861 to 1876 from the Parish of Burtonwood
2 June 2011
Baptisms 1864 to 1873, Marriages 1852 to 1856 and Burials 1651 to 1652 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn
Baptisms 1892 to 1899 from All Saints, Nova Scotia in the Parish of Blackburn
Baptisms 1800 to 1837 from Chapel St Independent in the Parish of Blackburn
1 June 2011
Marriages 1868 to 1870 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool
Baptisms 1873 to 1896 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool
Marriages 1861 to 1914 from the Church of the Holy Innocents, Kensington, Liverpool
Marriages 1802 and 1803 from the Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool
Marriages 1835 to 1837 from the Church of St John Haymarket, Liverpool
Baptisms 1737 to 1754 and 1832 to 1833 and Burials 1737 to 1748 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool
Baptisms 1935 to 1937 and Marriages 1913 to 1939 from the Church of St Thomas, Seaforth, Liverpool
Baptisms 1884 to 1893 from the Church of St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Liverpool
Go direct to the relevant Parish from here: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html
or search the whole database from here (The searchable database was last updated on 6th May 2011):
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Happy hunting, Sharon in OZ
Hi listers, Here's what's new: 7 June 2011
Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1683 to 1730 and Marriages 1754 to 1784 and 1813 to 1837 from St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Goosnargh
Marriages 1925 to 1938 from the Parish of Great Sankey
Marriages 1837 to 1861 from St David, Haigh
Baptisms 1892 to 1911 from the Church of St Peter in the Parish of Hindley
Baptisms 1663 to 1673 and Burials 1664 to 1673 from the Parish of Hoole
Baptisms 1753 to 1795 and Burials 1695 to 1712 and 1737 to 1753 from the Church of the Holy Trinity, Horwich
Baptisms 1751 to 1765 and 1779 to 1785 from New Chapel Independent, in the Parish of Horwich
Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1712 to 1731 from St Michael in the Parish of Kirkham
Baptisms 1827 to 1836 from All Saints in the Town of Wigan
6 June 2011
Marriages 1893 to 1901 from St St John the Evangelist, in the Parish of Farnworth with Kearsley
Banns 1865 to 1884 from Christ Church, Fulwood in Preston
Baptisms 1839 to 1856 from St Thomas, Eccleston, in the Parish of St Helens
Baptisms 1820 to 1822 from St John in the Town of Preston
Baptisms 1880 to 1890 from the Church of St Thomas in the Town of Preston
4 June 2011
Baptisms 1881 to 1907 from Stamford St Wesleyan Methodist in the Parish of Ashton under Lyne
Banns 1884 to 1900 from the Parish of Caton
Burials 1784 to 1808 from the Parish of Church Kirk
Baptisms 1793 to 1812 and Burials 1595 to 1657 and 1794 to 1812 from the Parish of Cockerham
Burials 1811 to 1825 from the Parish of Colton
3 June 2011
Banns and Marriages 1900 from the Church of St Paul, Blackpool
Baptisms 1819 to 1837 from Duke's Alley Congregation of Protestant Dissenters, Bolton
Burials 1841 to 1900 from the Church of St James, Briercliffe
Burials 1861 to 1876 from the Parish of Burtonwood
2 June 2011
Baptisms 1864 to 1873, Marriages 1852 to 1856 and Burials 1651 to 1652 from the Church of St Mary the Virgin in the Parish of Blackburn
Baptisms 1892 to 1899 from All Saints, Nova Scotia in the Parish of Blackburn
Baptisms 1800 to 1837 from Chapel St Independent in the Parish of Blackburn
1 June 2011
Marriages 1868 to 1870 from the Church of St Michael-in-the-Hamlet, in the district of Aigburth, Liverpool
Baptisms 1873 to 1896 from the Church of St Mary, in the district of Hale, Liverpool
Marriages 1861 to 1914 from the Church of the Holy Innocents, Kensington, Liverpool
Marriages 1802 and 1803 from the Church of St Nicholas, Liverpool
Marriages 1835 to 1837 from the Church of St John Haymarket, Liverpool
Baptisms 1737 to 1754 and 1832 to 1833 and Burials 1737 to 1748 from the Church of St Peter, Liverpool
Baptisms 1935 to 1937 and Marriages 1913 to 1939 from the Church of St Thomas, Seaforth, Liverpool
Baptisms 1884 to 1893 from the Church of St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Liverpool
Go direct to the relevant Parish from here: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html
or search the whole database from here (The searchable database was last updated on 6th May 2011):
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Happy hunting, Sharon in OZ
MLFHS: Memorial Inscriptions - New data
I have just uploaded some 380 memorial inscriptions covering some 1298 names to the memorial inscription database in the member area. These all relate to the New Jerusalem Chapel, Bolton Street, Salford and came originally from the Owen MSS.
They cover burials 1813-1876 though all but a handful date before 1854.
Hope someone gets lucky with these. The database now contains 2858 memorials covering 8902 names in 17 burial grounds.
MLFHS: Speeds maps (Speeds is a company's name)
Does any one know where I can get colour copies of Speeds map of Lancashire and Yorkshire?
Response - Google tells me that there's a copy of it at -
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/environment/oldmap/
MLFHS: Genes Reunited
Totally agree, it's just that bright solid have two bites of the cherry with FMP and GR, with the latter being trumpetted has having such a wonderful collection of records etc. As far as I can tell all of them already on FMP. To the uninitiated the fact that GR had the 1911 was a new supplier - in fact of course we all know different.
Like all of us I guess I use and pay for several suppliers, all with something slightly different to offer, admittedly all had the E/W census to 1901, with 1911 coming onstream later.
Without these commercials companies I wouldn't be able to do 90 percent of what I do now from the comfort of home. At present am at a friend's who's having a bathroom refitted. Couldn't go and research even if I wanted to, but can easily distract myself with Ancestry etc.
The hobby is a life saver. It's only occasionally that I get penny pinching!
FMP is Find My Past; GR is Genes Reunited. I have not tried, and await your evaluation.
I have just uploaded some 380 memorial inscriptions covering some 1298 names to the memorial inscription database in the member area. These all relate to the New Jerusalem Chapel, Bolton Street, Salford and came originally from the Owen MSS.
They cover burials 1813-1876 though all but a handful date before 1854.
Hope someone gets lucky with these. The database now contains 2858 memorials covering 8902 names in 17 burial grounds.
MLFHS: Speeds maps (Speeds is a company's name)
Does any one know where I can get colour copies of Speeds map of Lancashire and Yorkshire?
Response - Google tells me that there's a copy of it at -
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/environment/oldmap/
MLFHS: Genes Reunited
Totally agree, it's just that bright solid have two bites of the cherry with FMP and GR, with the latter being trumpetted has having such a wonderful collection of records etc. As far as I can tell all of them already on FMP. To the uninitiated the fact that GR had the 1911 was a new supplier - in fact of course we all know different.
Like all of us I guess I use and pay for several suppliers, all with something slightly different to offer, admittedly all had the E/W census to 1901, with 1911 coming onstream later.
Without these commercials companies I wouldn't be able to do 90 percent of what I do now from the comfort of home. At present am at a friend's who's having a bathroom refitted. Couldn't go and research even if I wanted to, but can easily distract myself with Ancestry etc.
The hobby is a life saver. It's only occasionally that I get penny pinching!
FMP is Find My Past; GR is Genes Reunited. I have not tried, and await your evaluation.
MLFHS: Genes Reunited (a comment from an MLFHS member)
My heartfelt apologies, Lynne, and all kind Scots, I hadn't really mean to insult a whole nation or descendants.
Unfortunately I really do believe the bright solid company, who own or run Scotland's People, Find My Past as well as Genes Reunited, look on its customers as cash cows. And if they don't then it sure feels like it!
For all I know bright solid doesn't have a Scot on its board, and could be owned and run by little green men from Mars, or the man in the Moon!
MLFHS: Non gen: Accessing my own health records (Can be done in UK with its universal coverage)
I have been reading this thread with great interest.
I was born in 1958 and left England, never to live there again, in 1968. I was looked after medically by our family doctor who certainly can no longer be practising. Would any one like to comment on whether my records might still be in existence and, if yes, where they might be?
I am surprised that the records are kept so long in England. Here in Germany, where I live now, the records had to kept for 10 years until a few years ago and then the ruling was changed to 30 years.
MLFHS: Genes Reunited plus (What the company says of itself)
Geneology is only part of the game! Who we are-
*brightsolid* began life in 1995 as Scotland Online and is a leading UK independent provider of IT business services to large public and private sector organisations.
We help our clients to design and implement high volume, high availability, high performance online products and services, and have done so successfully since we became one of the pioneering Internet companies of the mid 1990s. bright*solid* has two divisions, online publishing and online technologies.
*brightsolid’s* online publishing division has significant expertise In building innovative online businesses around people and places. It manages ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk, a partnership between the General Register Office for Scotland, the National Archives of Scotland and the Court of the Lord Lyon. In 2007, bright*solid* acquired findmypast.com, *an online family history site. findmypast.com was the first website to put the complete birth, marriage and death indexes for England and Wales online. The company also successfully launched *ancestorsonboard.com*, the online passenger
lists records resource, for The National Archives in January 2007. It included details of over 24 million travellers, including the historic details of the Titanic’s maiden voyage.
*brightsolid *recently launched the group’s first, and Scotland’s only, online magazine ‘Discover My Past Scotland’.Headquartered in Dundee, the company is owned by the publishers D.C. Thomson and has offices in Edinburgh and London.
MLFHS: Monument Inscriptions (Americans read as Headstones)
I haven't seen any replies to your enquiry. I am certainly no expert on Manchester Churches and Burial Grounds, but from the description it could be one of two churches,
The Catholic Church of St. Mary, Mulberry Street (known as "The Hidden Gem"), which is located just off Deansgate. Geoff Edge's Guide to the Burial Grounds of Manchester & Salford confirms there are no MI listings known for this church. The burials date from 1816-1829 and records from 1816-1825 are held at Manchester Central Library. Do these dates fit with what you know?
Alternatively there is (or was) St. Mary's Parsonage, also close to Deansgate. Again Geoff's book confirms burials took place there from 1754 to 1871 but in this case there is a Memorial Inscription listing of 997 graves. Both burial records and MIs are held at MCL.
CRRL input - [Genealib] Property Research
My heartfelt apologies, Lynne, and all kind Scots, I hadn't really mean to insult a whole nation or descendants.
Unfortunately I really do believe the bright solid company, who own or run Scotland's People, Find My Past as well as Genes Reunited, look on its customers as cash cows. And if they don't then it sure feels like it!
For all I know bright solid doesn't have a Scot on its board, and could be owned and run by little green men from Mars, or the man in the Moon!
MLFHS: Non gen: Accessing my own health records (Can be done in UK with its universal coverage)
I have been reading this thread with great interest.
I was born in 1958 and left England, never to live there again, in 1968. I was looked after medically by our family doctor who certainly can no longer be practising. Would any one like to comment on whether my records might still be in existence and, if yes, where they might be?
I am surprised that the records are kept so long in England. Here in Germany, where I live now, the records had to kept for 10 years until a few years ago and then the ruling was changed to 30 years.
MLFHS: Genes Reunited plus (What the company says of itself)
Geneology is only part of the game! Who we are-
*brightsolid* began life in 1995 as Scotland Online and is a leading UK independent provider of IT business services to large public and private sector organisations.
We help our clients to design and implement high volume, high availability, high performance online products and services, and have done so successfully since we became one of the pioneering Internet companies of the mid 1990s. bright*solid* has two divisions, online publishing and online technologies.
*brightsolid’s* online publishing division has significant expertise In building innovative online businesses around people and places. It manages ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk, a partnership between the General Register Office for Scotland, the National Archives of Scotland and the Court of the Lord Lyon. In 2007, bright*solid* acquired findmypast.com, *an online family history site. findmypast.com was the first website to put the complete birth, marriage and death indexes for England and Wales online. The company also successfully launched *ancestorsonboard.com*, the online passenger
lists records resource, for The National Archives in January 2007. It included details of over 24 million travellers, including the historic details of the Titanic’s maiden voyage.
*brightsolid *recently launched the group’s first, and Scotland’s only, online magazine ‘Discover My Past Scotland’.Headquartered in Dundee, the company is owned by the publishers D.C. Thomson and has offices in Edinburgh and London.
MLFHS: Monument Inscriptions (Americans read as Headstones)
I haven't seen any replies to your enquiry. I am certainly no expert on Manchester Churches and Burial Grounds, but from the description it could be one of two churches,
The Catholic Church of St. Mary, Mulberry Street (known as "The Hidden Gem"), which is located just off Deansgate. Geoff Edge's Guide to the Burial Grounds of Manchester & Salford confirms there are no MI listings known for this church. The burials date from 1816-1829 and records from 1816-1825 are held at Manchester Central Library. Do these dates fit with what you know?
Alternatively there is (or was) St. Mary's Parsonage, also close to Deansgate. Again Geoff's book confirms burials took place there from 1754 to 1871 but in this case there is a Memorial Inscription listing of 997 graves. Both burial records and MIs are held at MCL.
CRRL input - [Genealib] Property Research
These are in addition to the usual drill for tracing ownership of a property:
It's worth searching for a street address in Google Books, as they have quite a few directories of professions and trades, so you might find information on a previous owner or renter.
Also, the same thing for any databases of your local newspapers. I found a real estate ad for the house later purchased by a physician I'm researching. The ad said the house had a separate office and would be ideal for a doctor. Apparently the physician agreed!
Subject: [Genealib] Property Research
I'm going to be doing a workshop on "How to Research the History of Your House" in October. I'm working with a local paranormal research group who will follow my session with one about how to use that information in your paranormal investigation.
I was wondering if anyone has done something similiar and if they have tips/tricks they are willing to share for research help. I have put together some, but just want to see if there is anything I am missing.
MLFHS: Beer sellers.
I had occasion to check on my grandfather who allegedly kept a pub in Liverpool in the 1880s. He was not listed in the trade directory. I subsequently found him as licensed to sell beer and cider only. Apparently keepers of mere beer houses, of which there were many, did not rank as trade or profession, whereas publicans did. This may differ in directories printed by other publishers. I found my grandfather in the records of the licensing justices which were held in the research room at Liverpool archives, perhaps
Manchester also holds such. They contained additional information such as fines, and if you can access them you can see whether your ancestor had a clean sheet or not.
MLFHS: Beer sellers.
There was some discussion on this subject the past. Briefly a beer seller could open his own front room to customers and sell them ale/beer that he had made himself.
Some of these establishments only lasted a short period ---some for generations-especially in the countryside, where they were often attached to cottages in the village.
A publican sold wines and spirits as well, and was subject to inspection by the Customs & excise people. (Tax), so more constant.
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