Sullivan/O’Connor research – The following is courtesy of a Sullivan third cousin once removed … THANKS!!!! It provides data on the ship my mother, Bridget Bernadine (O’Connor) Rowe came over on as a wee one.
The ship, thanks to our cousins’ efforts - was the SS Lucania. It sailed from Liverpool and Queenstown, and arrived in New York on the 28 July 1906 - and here's something interesting. They sailed 2nd class, not steerage. My mother is highlighted in GREEN.
Our ancestors are listed as follows:
361 Sullivan, Sylvester. 19 y; male; single; laborer; can read/write; Nationality - British; Race - Irish; last residence - Caherdaniel; final destination Ansonia , Ct; ticket? - no; paid by sister; has $50; in U.S. before? - no; ever been in prison?-no; polygamist? - no; anarchist? - no; promise of labor? - no; health - good; crippled/deformed? – no
360 Sullivan, Ellen. 60 y; female; married; housekeeper; contract 27482; can read/write; Nationality - British; Race - Irish; last residence - Caherdaniel; final destination Ansonia , Ct. 28 Rockwood Ave. , Ansonia , Ct.
Sullivan, Ellen & son. 60 y. female; grp 2, #7/8, 2 persons (passenger 360/361); cause of detention - LPC; Inspector - Fitzgerald; adm 7/28, pg 161; Secy - M, Time: 9:25, 2 dinners - (LPC recorded after cause of detention is the abbreviation for "likely to become public charge)
379 O'Connor, Bridget. 28 y; female; married; housekeeper; contract 27482; can read/write; Nationality - American; Race - Irish; last residence - Caherdaniel; final destination - Ansonia ,Ct. Ansonia ; joining husband, Denis O'Connor, 28 Rockwood Ave. , Ansonia , Ct.
380 O'Connor, Ellen. 11 y.; female; single; can't read or write; Nationality - American; Race - Irish; last residence - Caherdaniel; Final destination - Ansonia , Ct. Ansonia ; joining father ( see passenger 379)
381 O'Connor, Daniel. 2 y; male; single; child; can't read/write; Nationality - American; Race - Irish; last residence - Caherdaniel; final destination - Ansonia ; Ticket? no; paid by father; $? - no; joining father (see passenger 379)
382 O'Connor, Bridget. 1 y.; female; single; can't read/write; Nationality - American; Race - Irish; last residence - Caherdaniel; Final destination - Ansonia ; Ticket? - no; paid by father; $ - no; In US before? - no; joining father (see passenger380)
Of interest - passenger 869 was a Sinclair Lewis. He was in steerage.
As a side note, the above records are not entirely accurate/truthful. The inaccuracy (noted in YELLOW above) stems from the fact that my Grandmother, my Mother and her siblings were not in fact US citizens until my grandfather Denis O’Connor formally became a citizen around 1918.
The below email string records the saga of obtaining a copy of the marriage records for my paternal great grandparents, Thomas Wroe and Mary Ellen Meagher. A check was sent and returned, as it was not a cheque written in Pounds, so a request has been sent via credit card. I anticipate a copy soon.
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MLFHS: Civil registry marriage record help
My initial 22 March posting asking for help – 22 March 2012
MLFHS: Civil registry marriage record help
All,
I am trying to locate any record of the marriage of my great grandparents, Thomas Wroe (born 8 March 1830 in Manchester, chr 21 March at Manchester Cathedral) to Mary Ellen Meagher, born Ireland 1834.
Ancestry search has a civil registry notation, reg district Manchester, Lancashire County, Jul-Aug-Sep 1852, Volume 8D and page 637 ... but I have been unable to get to the record. I expect one or more of Thomas' siblings might have been present or a witness. Any details would be most welcome.
Don Rowe
All,
I am trying to locate any record of the marriage of my great grandparents, Thomas Wroe (born 8 March 1830 in Manchester, chr 21 March at Manchester Cathedral) to Mary Ellen Meagher, born Ireland 1834.
Ancestry search has a civil registry notation, reg district Manchester, Lancashire County, Jul-Aug-Sep 1852, Volume 8D and page 637 ... but I have been unable to get to the record. I expect one or more of Thomas' siblings might have been present or a witness. Any details would be most welcome.
Don Rowe
MLFHS: Civil registry marriage record help
Date: Thursday, March 22, 2012, 8:44 PM
Hi, Don,
Lancashire BMD (www.lancashirebmd.org.uk has the entry -
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference WROE Thomas MOHAR Mary Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/25/23
The surname MOHAR is probably a phonetic rendering of MEAGHER. This marriage took place either in the Register Office (not very common at that time) or in a non-Anglican chapel. The latter term includes ALL other chapels, Unitarian, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, etc. The only way to access the information on this certificate whether from the GRO or the Manchester RO is the purchase a certified copy of the entry.
Hope this is some help
MLFHS member – name removed (of Bury, in Lancastershire county)
MLFHS: Civil registry marriage record help – another response
Hi, You wrote -
Both FreeBMD and LancsBMD have Thomas Wroe & Mary Mohar (possible
mis-transcription of Meagher).
As BOTH FreeBMD (= GRO Index) and LancsBMD (= Manchester RO) have MOHAR, then this is what was recorded at the time in the original Register, and so is not a mis-transcription. This record will reflect what the Registrar heard and so the bride and groom probably only knew their names as spoken names and not written names. This spelling sounds the same as the name of boys at school with me who spelt their name MEAGHER. MAHER is another alternative spelling. Given a variety of local pronunciations, it could be represented as MAYOR or MAIR.
Hope this helps
Hi, You wrote -
Both FreeBMD and LancsBMD have Thomas Wroe & Mary Mohar (possible
mis-transcription of Meagher).
As BOTH FreeBMD (= GRO Index) and LancsBMD (= Manchester RO) have MOHAR, then this is what was recorded at the time in the original Register, and so is not a mis-transcription. This record will reflect what the Registrar heard and so the bride and groom probably only knew their names as spoken names and not written names. This spelling sounds the same as the name of boys at school with me who spelt their name MEAGHER. MAHER is another alternative spelling. Given a variety of local pronunciations, it could be represented as MAYOR or MAIR.
Hope this helps
Another MLFHS member – name removed - 22 March 2012
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First cousin once removed Scott Rowe has been doing some fine research using ancestry.com, the US Federal 1930 census, trade directories, and uncovering family and their friends in and around Portland Maine.
With the 1940 US census now available lets see what other data springs loose.
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For those stalwarts with a detective bent, I recommend joining the Manchester Liverpool Family History Society (MLFHS) as a means to trace our Wroe roots. Another avenue (which I’ve tried again without any response) is to subscribe to a Roots Web bulletin board on Wroes. WROE-L-request@rootsweb.com
Research abbreviations – This may help someone’s research
The date ultimo, means it was that date last month. The date instant, means it is that date this month. And the date proximo is the date on the following month.
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For family and cousins trying to share family photos with me, I want to you know I don't do these non-standard communications methods, even with my kids. Thanks for the offer. I do Facebook and emails though, but not LinkedIn, Kodak (or other photo company) photo sharing sites.
For family and cousins trying to share family photos with me, I want to you know I don't do these non-standard communications methods, even with my kids. Thanks for the offer. I do Facebook and emails though, but not LinkedIn, Kodak (or other photo company) photo sharing sites.
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