Friday, February 1, 2013

HICUZ 97


HICUZ 97
Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
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This reminder specifically refers to performing LDS ordinances using any of the data in this or other HICUZ posts.
 
 








CORRECTIONS to HICUZ 96 - Scott Rowe – provided data on his Sassi ancestors -Vincenzo was his Great grandfather (Mauro was his brother) and Gaitano was his grandfather. Gaitano and Agnes came over with their mother Teodolinda in 1902 after Vincenzo came in 1900.

Captain John Angus McDonald USMC letters 1927
Deciphered and transcribed by Donald Rowe … Captain Jack’s wife Marjorie May (MacKenzie) McDonald and daughter Barbara McDonald live in USMC housing at a base in Port Au Prince, Haiti. Captain Jack’s age while in Nicaragua was 49, and Barbara is Nancy’s mother. While transcribing these letters I was taken by how, if I imagined myself in his locale, they made me feel I was with Indiana Jones in the Andes.

730 PM
Esteli Nicaragua
June 15, 1927

My own darling girl: -
I am growing start another letter – now that I can find a little time to do so.

Since my first letter from here, I haven’t had a minute to call my own.  The day after the date I compiled your letter, I received orders to have fifty men and one officer in readiness to leave here by marching to establish a post in a place called Octal, 75 miles from here. I had to commandeer fifty pack mules and horses for the supplies to be carried for the troops, Rations, Medical supplies, Ammunition, and the men’s effects. And to be ready to leave to-day at noon, so that they would be at their destination on the 19th four days to make 75 miles.

They had them on the move at 12:30 the packers, since not of the best that made the half-hour delay.

PAGE TWO
They are now camped some miles from here, this I know – for this is the height of the rainy season, And it started to rain shortly after they left. Lt Kimling (?SP) is in Command. Lt Scheper (?SP) with 7 Bull Carts, is at the Ration Station 60 miles from here, expect him back Saturday, with the supplies.

The 13th of this month we had been gone from Haiti one month.

I have lived a year in that time. To name all my folks here need all the officers who are in constant communication with me, by ???? ???? And telegraph would find some book.

Absolute control of this town of 6,000 people, (?Savage, local ??? and milary looking after 200 marines the running of the town, to the satisfaction of both the people, civilian and military

And the consant orders from Battalion Commanders, Also Brigade Commander, who do not have to do the work themselves and who are miles away.

PAGE THREE
So far dear I have managed to keep out of fire. I am trying to do my best, and if the powers above don’t like my way “even” you know the out)

I wonder if all this is interesting to you Marjorie. I am afraid it’s rather dull reading. And I am sure most of it appears so ???.

But I only try to tell you things that are really so.

I have my room fast off my Headquarters office, the one where the flag is shown in the Photo enclosed.

I am going to try send home a snap that taken, to send you soon.

My mind for the last two days has been full of news, Bull cart drivers. Bulls, are a hundred and over things.  But as I told you in the last letter I seem to thrive on it all. I feel fine, and have not been in a moment since I came ashore. The doctor and I are the only of our force to-night, since I started to write letter three telegrams have arrived, nothing very important and they can wait.

PAGE FOUR
The daily plane from Managua dropped a nice letter from you to-day. The one you told me about you have received the wire I sent you at sea. I certainly look forward to them Marjorie. I am so happy to hear that you and Barb are going on no nicely. And that all are so kind to you. I do hope that it will continue so. I think that writing is on the wall, that we won’t be long in Nicaragua. You have the right (days) about two months, and we will all be on our way back to our stations.

Everything is quiet and peaceful here in all Nicaragua. And the only marines to remain, since he a (Legation Guard) in the Capital Managua. About all the arms and ammunition has here been turned in to the Marines in all districts. But the one in which the Marines got far to-day. And as soon as they arrive they will attend to that matter.

The people here are more satisfied each day with the protection the Marines give them. And there is nothing to fear.

PAGE FIVE
All business has resumed in this town and the people are mighty good to have the Marines here, in more ways than one. For all of Nicaragua has been at war for the past year. And the peaceful inhabitants are living their own lives with no fear.

As I told you darling in my other letter, the only way we have to send mail is by convoy either mounted or by Bull carts. No landing field here. But in a few days I expect to form a contrivance built – that can pick up mail from the ground.

The Post Office people in Haiti sent me two packages that were mailed from Sears Roebuck and Co. One is on its way to you, the other will go with this letter. I opened the last one and took my two news (?SP) of Pogamus (?SP) which come in mighty handy here.

PAGE SIX
My darling I miss you and our darling Baby, more each day. And I am just waiting for the time, which we will be together again.  And I have strong hopes that it will be long.

Don’t worry the least bit over me , nothing to fear, everything absolutely ???., and nothing to fear.

Be sure to take best care of yourself and Barbara.

Kiss Baby for me.
All my love to you dear from your husband who loves you.
Good night
Best regards to Mrs. Kiernant (?SP) and girls.

I recently rejoined the Rootsweb list for Wroes, hoping to uncover new data, and to identify others researching the Wroe line. They may also be related, and afford a chance to identify living Wroe cousins. Wish me (us) luck.

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Am also endeavoring to find more information on the siblings, and descendants of, my paternal great grandfather – Thomas Rowe (ne Wroe in 1830). I was at volunteer library job, and with no patrons to help, I did some internet surfing/research using the library’s www.Ancestry.com  library version. It is Free at the library, and your library may offer similar benefits. I also used the Free www.familysearch.org  website. I am hoping to find enough information on Great Grampa’s siblings’ families that I can identify living cousins. A number of the searches gave me promising, but eventually erroneous connections. That is a part of this research, finding families who look (name similarities or locations of homes) that they might be related … but then turn out to not be family. On the other hand they might be relatives who are more distantly related. In any case I was just looking for those who are in line from Thomas’ parents, my great, great grandparents – Richard Wroe and Margaret Stansfield.

As you may recall, the siblings of Thomas Rowe (ne Wroe):
            Sara Wroe, chr 23 Aug 1822 Manchester Cathedral
            James Wroe, chr 16 Dec 1825 m Mary Ann Porter 11 Feb 1849,
Manchester Cathedral
            Elizabeth Wroe, chr 1 Feb 1828, m Thomas Davies 4 Feb 1849,
Manchester Cathedral
            John Wroe, chr 31 Aug 1834 Manchester Cathedral
            Mary Wroe, chr 23 Apr 1837 Manchester Cathedral
            Jane Wroe, chr 10 Feb 1839 Manchester Cathedral
           William Wroe, chr 27 May 1832 Manchester Cathedral

I concentrated on James, William, Jane, and Elizabeth as Ancestry searches didn’t provide tangible data (at least for now) on Sara, John, or Mary.

James Wroe … using www.familysearch.org  a potential related individual was investigated. This was the christening of a James Wroe on 31 Oct 1877 at Stephen and All Martyrs, Oldham, with the father identified as James Wroe. Source: film number 2356365, digital folder 004497629, image number 00136. There was the possibility that this James was the son of James and Mary Ann Porter.  I evaluated this James as possible, but not certain. Further research is required to verify any connection.

William Wroe … using www.familysearch.org  I reviewed the 1861, 1871, and 1881 UK censuses for a William Wroe, born 1832 and married to a Mary A. Wroe. They lived in the 1861 and 1871 census in St George’s parish and sub-district, with children. In 1871 William was 39, Mary A. 37, and their children were listed as: Margaret age 11; Mary A. age 10; John age 4; and Tom age 2. In 1881 William was listed as age 49, Mary A. as age 47, and the children were listed as: Mary A. age 20; John age 14; Tom age 12; and George age 6. George is this case was an unfamiliar name in our Wroe family. I then used www.ancestry.com for the same William and Mary. A. Wroe family (and children) and found a family tree posted by a family with Willner surname. That tree had a linked 1841 census which gave William’s parents as Josiah and Mary Wroe. That parentage for this William disproved connection to our Wroe family.

Jane Wroe … using www.familysearch.org  the marriage of a Jane Wroe on 12 July 1863 to Alfred Farmer was investigated. Alfred’s father was listed as William Farmer, and Jane’s as Richard Wroe. Her age would have been 24, which seemed probable. The marriage took place at St Philip’s church in Manchester, which was a break with family marriages. Source: film number 2357536, digital folder number 004497843, image number 00868. I evaluate this Jane as possible, but not certain. Further research is required to verify any connection.

Elizabeth Wroe, christened 01 Feb 1828 at the Manchester Cathedral (also known as Collegiate Church) married Thomas Davies on 04 Feb 1849 at that same church/Cathedral. So my search was to identify their children … surname - Davies.

I found and copied UK census records for 1851, 1861, 1871, and 1881 with Thomas Davies as the head of the household enumerated. These records range from dead certainty that the family enumerated is family, to just a possibility. As I dissect each I’ll give my assessment as to whether they are related, and why.

1851 census … Thomas Davies and wife Elizabeth (Wroe) Davies, together with children Mary age 2, and William age 2 months were living with my great, great grandparents Richard Wroe and Margaret Stansfield, as well as my great grandfather Thomas Wroe age 21 and their sister Jane Wroe age 12. The family connection of this Thomas and Elizabeth Davies family is certain. Source: Class H0107, piece 2231, folio 40, page 28. See census below. www.familysearch.org

 

1851 England Census about Thomas Davies

Name:
Thomas Davies
Age:
27
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1824
Relation:
Son In Law
Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth Davies
Gender:
M (Male)
Where born:
Wigan, Lancashire, England


Civil parish:
Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish:
All Saints Newton
Town:
Bradford
County/Island:
Lancashire
Country:
England


Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:
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Registration district:
Manchester and Prestwich
Sub-registration district:
Newton
ED, institution, or vessel:
1b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number:
109
Piece:
2231
Folio:
40
Page Number:
28
Household Members:


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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2231; Folio: 40; Page: 28; .
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. The National Archives gives no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or fitness for the purpose of the information provided. Images may be used only for purposes of research, private study or education. Applications for any other use should be made to the National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU.

 

1861 census … The Thomas and Elizabeth (Wroe) Davies family has moved within Manchester, but the parents names, ages, and children’s names and ages confirm this as same related family. This census report shows a variation of ages between husband and wife, but this is typical. The census reflects birth of two more children: Alice age 6 and Ann age 3.   Source: RG 9, piece 2987, folio 10, page 13, GSU roll 543060.  See census below. www.familysearch.org

1861 England Census about Thomas Davies

Name:
Thomas Davies
Age:
37
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1824
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth Davies
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Wigan, Lancashire, England


Civil parish:
Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Mary
Town:
Clayton
County/Island:
Lancashire
Country:
England


Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:
Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district:
Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel:
8e
Neighbors:
Household schedule number:
62
Piece:
2987
Folio:
10
Page Number:
13
Household Members:


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Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2987; Folio: 10; Page: 13; GSU roll: 543060.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1861. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1861. Data imaged from The National Archives, London, England. The National Archives gives no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or fitness for the purpose of the information provided. Images may be used only for purposes of research, private study or education. Applications for any other use should be made to The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU.

1871 census … The Thomas and Elizabeth (Wroe) Davies family has again moved within Manchester, but the parents names, ages, and children’s names and ages strongly suggest this as same related family. This census report shows a variation of ages between husband and wife, but this is typical. The census reflects following children: Mary age 22; William age 19; Thomas age 17; Alice age 12, and Benjamin age 11. Another name, James Doyle, appears with family; he may be a renter or a servant. Source: RG 10, piece 4017, folio 33, page 18, GSU roll 846317.  See census below.  www.familysearch.org

1871 England Census about Thomas Davies

Name:
Thomas Davies
Age:
40
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1831
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Eliza Davies
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish:
Salford
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Stephan
County/Island:
Lancashire
Country:
England
Registration district:
Salford
Sub-registration district:
Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel:
10
Household schedule number:
104
Piece:
4017
Folio:
33
Page Number:
18
Household Members:


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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4017; Folio: 33; Page: 18; GSU roll: 846317.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1871 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1871. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1871. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. The National Archives gives no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or fitness for the purpose of the information provided. Images may be used only for purposes of research, private study or education. Applications for any other use should be made to the National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU.


1881 census … The Thomas and Elizabeth (Wroe) Davies family has again moved within Manchester, but the parents names, ages, and children names and ages suggest that maybe this is same family. This census report shows another variation of ages between husband and wife, but this is typical. The census reflects following children: Thomas age 27 and Elizabeth age 10. Neither of these children names appeared in previous census reports.   Source: RG 11, piece 3962, folio 74, page 2, GSU roll 1341946. www.familysearch.org

 

1881 England Census about Thomas Davies

Name:
Thomas Davies
Age:
50
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1831
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Eliza Davies
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Manchester, Lancashire, England


Civil parish:
Salford
County/Island:
Lancashire
Country:
England


Street Address:
15 Ryland St
Condition as to marriage:
Married
Education:

Employment status:
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Occupation:
Laborer In Iron Works


Registration district:
Salford
Sub-registration district:
Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel:
29
Neighbors:
Piece:
3962
Folio:
74
Page Number:
2
Household Members:


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Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3962; Folio: 74; Page: 2; GSU roll: 1341946.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
1881 British Isles Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site. Appreciation is expressed to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for providing the 1881 England and Wales Census Index.
Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1881. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1881.
Images © Crown copyright. Images reproduced by courtesy of The National Archives, London, England.
The National Archives give no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or fitness for the purpose of the information provided.
Images may be used only for purposes of research, private study or education. Applications for any other use should be made to The National Archives Image Library, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU, Tel: 020 8392 5225 Fax: 020 8392 5266.
Other Wroe/Davies researchtwo christenings were found using www.familysearch.org . Both christenings fall within expected childbearing years for children with known names of descendants of Elizabeth (Wroe) and Thomas Davies.
Mary Davies, daughter of Thomas Davies was christened 19August 1849 at the Manchester Cathedral.  Source: indexing batch C07354-2,  film numbers 0438176 and 0438177 
William Davies, son of Thomas Davies was christened 28 December 1851 at the Manchester Cathedral.  Source: indexing batch C07354-3,  film numbers 0438177 and 0438178.  

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