Wednesday, January 8, 2014

Blog Post 105


HI CUZ Blog 105
Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
Reminder, your acceptance of this newsletter signifies that you will not use its contents to alter, and thus disrespect in any form or way, the historical religious beliefs, no matter what they were – or were not – of family members mentioned herein.

This reminder specifically refers to performing LDS ordinances using any of the data in this or other HICUZ newsletters or blog posts.
 
 










Another find turned out to be a bust. It was a Family tree on Ancestry which was incorrect. A Wroe family tree alleged a relation to James Wroe, brother to my great grandfather Thomas Wroe/Rowe. James (and Thomas were children of the Richard identified just above) appeared in a Family Tree under the heading of a “Baron Family Tree” – with erroneous data. The incorrect tree showed the incorrect wife of James, for whom I previously found the marriage of – to Mary Ann Porter. The source email link for the Baron Tree was “harmonicable” but no ISP (ie Yahoo.com, AOL.com, etc) was identified. I look for trees, as they may provide a link to living Wroes.

Data for James Wroe burial – This is a different James, son of a James and Elizabeth Wroe.
Name:
James Wroe
Age:
66
Burial Date:
23 Apr 1837
Parish:
Cheetham, St Mark
Parish as it Appears:
Cheetham
Reference Number:
GB127.M387/1/3/6

Future Wroe research - I am endeavoring to identify siblings in each generation of my/our Wroes, to assist in eventually finding living Wroe cuzzes across the pond. Wish me luck!

Notes from Wendy Wroe, of Hertsfordshire England – of the Lancashire County migration pattern of Wroes near Manchester. 

In 1600s the Wroes were principally in Prestwich and Radcliffe.  Perhaps the Wroes of Westminster County, Virginia came from this area and timeframe.

In the 1700s they were moving from Prestwich to Eccles and Salford; from Radcliffe to Broughton and Manchester, and to Prestwich and Oldham.

In the 1800s Those who were in Eccles had moved to Manchester or stayed in Eccles. Many in Salford earlier remained there, or moved to Broughton, Prestwich or Oldham. Those who had been in Prestwich/Oldham in prior period moved to Middleton, Ashton on Lyne, or other areas.

MLFHS assistance request – MIs of St Mary’s, St Marks and links to other in and around Manchester. Also interpretation of “SRiSt bton” and Miln gats” as places names.

To: Donald Rowe <rowboatdon@yahoo.com>, forum
    <forum@list.mlfhs.org.uk>
Subject: Re: MLFHS: Request help in research
Hi Don
Go to MLFHS website, log in to Member Area, members only database. There 
is an index to MI's which includes St.Mark, Cheetham. St.Marys doesn't 
seem to be there but I have a listing (incomplete project!). If you give 
me a name I will check it.
Geoff

On 26/08/2013 22:06, Donald Rowe wrote:
MLFHS assistance request ? Am trying to identify Internet link to Monumental Inscriptions (MIs) of St Mary?s, St Marks and links to other in and around Manchester. Also interpretation of ?SRiSt bton? and Miln gats? as Manchester area places names.

Thanks, Don

MLFHS member Geoffrey Edge responded and provided in valuable MI data.

Plot numbers 200, 201, and 202 at St Mary’s were augmented by data (again from the Owens Manuscript) for
Plot 198 – “In memory of Ann, Wife of J. B. Wroe died May 21, 1819 Aged 30 years.”
Plot 199 – “H.R. William Blomley who died Aug 11th 1774 in the 39th year of his Age. 
            Elizabeth his Wife who died June 1st 1789 Aged 51. Alice, Dau of Wm and
            Elizabeth Blomeley who died Jan 1st 1775 Aged 5M”
            (Elizabeth Blomeley’s maiden name was Wroe)
Plot 649 – H.R. Richard Wroe died 22 April 1831 aged 62 years. Also Susanna Dau of
            Richard & Susannah Wroe died Dec 22 1798 Aged 9M. Also James their son died
Oct 13 1802 Aged 4M. Also John their Son died At 29.”
            Plot 799 – “Ellen Relict (Widow) of the late James Wroe of Manchester Ob March 1,
1784 At 30. Also Thomas Blomeley died Sep 11 1798 Aged 45 years. Also
Elizabeth his wife died Dec 2, 1798 Aged 31 years. Ann, Dau of Thomas and Eliz
Blomeley buried 6 Feb 1791 Aged 3Y & 10 M. Also Jas their son bur Jan 19,
1793 Aged 9 M. Also Esther Fisher their Dau. Died Nov 19, 1798 Aged 9 Y.”

Another interesting bit or two – I went searching for Peter Wroe, as this was a son of Richard and Mary Wroe of Kersal. I found the christening of Peter on 22 August 1723, as the son of Richard, linen weaver, and Mary of Kersal … in Prestwich, St Mary’s Parish.

Also found Thomas, son of Richard Wroe of Kersal, christened 22 May 1717 at Prestwich, St Mary’s parish.

Also found Mary, dau of Richard Woe, Husbandman and Mary his wife, of Kersal, christened 31 May 1726 at Prestwich, St Mary’s parish.

I later found a Peter Wroe in then rolls of the Chelsea Pensioner Registers of Soldiers who served in Canada, 1743 – 1882, page 233. Here was a Peter Wroe, born Manchester, age 37 on 23 March 1762, who served 18 years in the 24th Regiment of Foot and lost his left arm in battle. I recall the 24th Regt of Foot as a re-enactor group representing soldiers from our Revolutionary War, but the time period is before of Revolutionary War. This is not the Peter found above (not direct line).

Also found data scanned into Ancestry.com for Wroes in 1633, 1635, 1666 and several subsequent years which may link to our line. More work to do … much more.

Richard Wroe, son of William Wroe, buried 20 Jan 1633 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard Wroe of Cromsall buried 25 May 1635 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard, son of John Wroe of Manchester christened 17 June 1666 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard Wroe, son of John & Eliz Wroe of Shriftbton christened 3 Oct 1680 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard, son of William Wroe of Kersall christened 11 Feb 1683 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Joseph, son of Peter Wroe of Kersall, christened 19 Dec 1682 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.


Subject: Re: MLFHS: Cheshire Tithe Maps etc

Yes it is a great site, I discovered that my ggggfathers cottage was next
to (built from? ) the site of an old moated manor farm. Clearly seen in the
aerial photographs as  marks in the land.

Both cottage and manor have long gone, The gates and marks though are clear
to see in the various photos and tithe maps.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Malcolm Elliot <

> Those who have an interest in neighbouring Cheshire may like to know about
> a very useful website for the county, which shows tithe maps alongside
> modern equivalents:  http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/**tithemaps/<http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/>
> Just enter a postcode and it shows the two comparative maps side by side,
> and the views can readily be moved too.  There are also several other
> options for maps and aerial photos from other eras.
> I'm not aware of an equivalent website for Lancashire, but I was most
> impressed by this one - I hope others may also find it of interest.
>
> Malcolm Elliot


Subject: MLFHS: Scottish Record Societyi

Dear All,

Many moons ago [24 Jun 2009], member wrote, on the
SCT-FIFE@rootsweb.com List:
"Scottish Record Society"
As you know these folks are the keepers of the past.  Their publications are available
online through the Internet Archive.

This link will take you to 55 of their publications.  They are old, cover most of Scotland
and include a range of material including Burgesses & Guild Brethren of Glasgow 1751-1846,
Testaments, Births, Burials from the 16th -19th century.  Unfortunately there is no index
for the 55 publications you will have to click on the top link of each one to view them. 
You can view these books online or download to your computer.

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Scottish%20Record%20Society%2C%20Edinburgh%22

Please feel free to forward this post to other Scottish Mailing Lists.


Port Dover, ON CA

Today, having nothing much better to do, I looked at this URL and found I had to open each
of the 57 entries to find its title. To save others the same trouble, I have appended the
books belwo my signature. I've done it twice; firstly in the order they appear, secondly
in numerical Vol. no. order. Any text after dates is mine, and is information re placename
or a cross-referenceto another volume 'hit'.
NB. Vol. number is that of the Website, not the SRS volume number (there isn't one).

As Don wrote, feel free to forward this to other Scottish Mailing Lists.

Cheers,

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Scottish Record Society, Edinburgh

Vol. 53    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1781-1841 [See Vol.46]
Vol. 29    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    Ayr (& Lanarkshire)
Vol. 49    Protocol Book of John Foular  9 Mar 1500/1-18 Sep 1503    Edinburgh
Vol. 44    Protocol Book of James Foulis & Nicol Thounis  1546-1553 & 1559-1564    Linlithgow
Vol. 48    Protocol Book of Sir John Cristisone  1518-1551    Sth. Aberdeenshire & Nth.
Kincardineshire
Vol. 37    Episcopal Ch. at St. Andrews: Register of Births, Marriages  1722-1787
Vol. 10    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 54    The Binns Papers  1320-1864    Linlithgow area
[Unnumbered #1; between v.54 & v.28]    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714 [Duplicate of
Vol.40]
Vol. 28    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1583-1666    [See Vol.47]
Vol. 50    Protocol Book of Sir Robert Rollok  1534-1552    Perth/Perthshire
Vol. 18    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    [Duplicate of Vol.29]
Vol. 30    Inventory of Documents of Scrymgeour Estates  1611    Dundee
Vol. 20    Restalrig Churchyard Burials  1728-1854    Sth. Leith
Vol. 52    Inventory of Pitferrane Writs  1230-1794    Dunfermline
Vol.  1    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.I  1514-1600  
Vol. 47    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1666-1700    [See Vol.28]
Vol. 42    Calendar of Writs, Yester House  1166-1625    Gifford, East Lothian
Vol.  3    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.III  1701-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Stirling: Register of Testaments  1607-1800
Vol. 27    Protocol Book of Sir William Corbet  1529-1555    Roxburghshire & Berwickshire
Vol. 43    Roll of Glasgow Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1573-1750
Vol. 14    Chapel Royal, Abbey of Holyroodhouse: Burial Register  1706-1900
Vol. 25    Protocol Book of Sir Alexander Gaw  1540-1558    [Commissariot of St. Andrews?]
Vol.  9    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Testaments  1674-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Lanark: Register of Testaments  1595-1800
Vol. 40    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714    [Duplicate of 'Unnumbered #1']
[Unnumbered #2; between vols.40 & 11]    Holyrood or Canongate parish: Register of Marriages 
1564-1800
Vol. 11    Commissariot of Moray: Register of Testaments  1684-1800
Vol. 15    Greyfriars Burying ground: Register of Interments  1658-1700
Vol.  2    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.II  1601-1700
Vol. 41    Kilbarchan parish register of Baptisms & Marriages  1649-1772
Vol. 54    Lamont [family] papers  1231-1897    Inveryne, Argyle
Vol. 21    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Inventories  1693-1702
Vol. 26    Durness parish register  1764-1814
Vol. 35    St. Cuthbert, Edinburgh: Monumental Inscriptions  [publ. 1915]
Vol. 22    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Consistorial Processes & Decreets  1658-1800
Vol. 19    Tillydesk & Bairnie Chapels: Baptismal Register  1763-1801    Ellon, Aberdeenshire
Vol. 46    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1406-1700    [See Vol.53]
Vol. 32, pt.1-2    Dunfermline parish registers  1561-1700
Vol. 55    Register of Burgesses of Burgh of Canongate  27 Jun 1622-25 Sep 1733    Edinburgh
Vol.  8    Commissariot of St. Andrews: Register of Testaments  1549-1800
Vol. 23    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1701-1750
Vol. 40    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1751-1800
Vol. 38    Wigtownshire & Minnigaff: Parish Lists  1684
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol. 16    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1595-1700
Vol.  6    Commissariot of Aberdeen: Register of Testaments  1715-1800
Vol. 45    Hunters of Hunterston family papers  1296-1908
Vol. 18    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 36    Canisbay parish registers  1652-1666    Caithness
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol.  4    Commissariot of Inverness: Register of Testaments  16301-1800
Vol.  7    Commissariot of Glasgow: Register of Testaments  1547-1800
Vol. 31    Protocol Book of Mr. Gilbert Grote  1552-1573    All over Scotland
Vol.  5    Commissariot of Hamilton: Register of Testaments  1564-1800
Vol. 39    Protocol Books of Dominus Thomas Johnsoun  1528-1578
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Unnumbered #1; between v.54 & v.28]    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714 [Duplicate of
Vol.40]
[Unnumbered #2; between vols.40 & 11]    Holyrood or Canongate parish: Register of Marriages 
1564-1800
Vol.  1    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.I  1514-1600  
Vol.  2    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.II  1601-1700
Vol.  3    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.III  1701-1800
Vol.  4    Commissariot of Inverness: Register of Testaments  16301-1800
Vol.  5    Commissariot of Hamilton: Register of Testaments  1564-1800
Vol.  6    Commissariot of Aberdeen: Register of Testaments  1715-1800
Vol.  7    Commissariot of Glasgow: Register of Testaments  1547-1800
Vol.  8    Commissariot of St. Andrews: Register of Testaments  1549-1800
Vol.  9    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Testaments  1674-1800
Vol. 10    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 11    Commissariot of Moray: Register of Testaments  1684-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Stirling: Register of Testaments  1607-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Lanark: Register of Testaments  1595-1800
Vol. 14    Chapel Royal, Abbey of Holyroodhouse: Burial register  1706-1900
Vol. 15    Greyfriars Burying ground: Register of Interments  1658-1700
Vol. 16    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1595-1700
Vol. 18    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    [Duplicate of Vol.29]
Vol. 18    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 19    Tillydesk & Bairnie Chapels: Baptismal Register  1763-1801    Ellon, Aberdeenshire
Vol. 20    Restalrig Churchyard Burials  1728-1854    Sth. Leith
Vol. 21    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Inventories  1693-1702
Vol. 22    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Consistorial Processes & Decreets  1658-1800
Vol. 23    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1701-1750
Vol. 25    Protocol Book of Sir Alexander Gaw  1540-1558    [Commissariot of St. Andrews?]
Vol. 26    Durness parish register  1764-1814
Vol. 27    Protocol Book of Sir William Corbet  1529-1555    Roxburghshire & Berwickshire
Vol. 28    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1583-1666    [See Vol.47]
Vol. 29    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    Ayr (& Lanarkshire)
Vol. 30    Inventory of Documents of Scrymgeour Estates  1611    Dundee
Vol. 31    Protocol Book of Mr. Gilbert Grote  1552-1573    All over Scotland
Vol. 32, pt.1-2    Dunfermline parish registers  1561-1700
Vol. 35    St. Cuthbert, Edinburgh: Monumental Inscriptions  [publ. 1915]
Vol. 36    Canisbay parish registers  1652-1666    Caithness
Vol. 37    Episcopal Ch. at St. Andrews: Register of Births, Marriages  1722-1787
Vol. 38    Wigtownshire & Minnigaff: Parish Lists  1684
Vol. 39    Protocol Books of Dominus Thomas Johnsoun  1528-1578
Vol. 40    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714    [Duplicate of 'Unnumbered #1']
Vol. 40    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1751-1800
Vol. 41    Kilbarchan parish register of Baptisms & Marriages  1649-1772
Vol. 42    Calendar of Writs, Yester House  1166-1625    Gifford, East Lothian
Vol. 43    Roll of Glasgow Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1573-1750
Vol. 44    Protocol Book of James Foulis & Nicol Thounis  1546-1553 & 1559-1564    Linlithgow
Vol. 45    Hunters of Hunterston family papers  1296-1908
Vol. 46    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1406-1700    [See Vol.53]
Vol. 47    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1666-1700    [See Vol.28]
Vol. 48    Protocol Book of Sir John Cristisone  1518-1551    Sth. Aberdeenshire & Nth.
Kincardineshire
Vol. 49    Protocol Book of John Foular  9 Mar 1500/1-18 Sep 1503    Edinburgh
Vol. 50    Protocol Book of Sir Robert Rollok  1534-1552    Perth/Perthshire
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol. 52    Inventory of Pitferrane Writs  1230-1794    Dunfermline
Vol. 53    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1781-1841 [See Vol.46]
Vol. 54    The Binns Papers  1320-1864    Linlithgow area
Vol. 54    Lamont [family] papers  1231-1897    Inveryne, Argyle
Vol. 55    Register of Burgesses of Burgh of Canongate  27 Jun 1622-25 Sep 1733    Edinburgh

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Blog Post 106

HI CUZ Blog 106
Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
Reminder, your acceptance of this newsletter signifies that you will not use its contents to alter, and thus disrespect in any form or way, the historical religious beliefs, no matter what they were – or were not – of family members mentioned herein.

This reminder specifically refers to performing LDS ordinances using any of the data in this or other HICUZ newsletters or blog posts.
 
 









MLFHS: Catholic Records Index

I have just updated the Catholic Records Index in the public area of the society web site to include baptisms and marriages for St. Joseph, Ordsall and baptisms for St Augustine, Granby Row.

This index now contains over a third of a million name entries relating to sixteen churches. Full coverage can be seen at:  http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_churches.php

The names are those of parties married and children baptised with in many cases the names of witnesses or godparents. The search page is at http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php


MLFHS: Cheshire Parish Registers
So do you know why they have elected to only look at those listed?  AND are any of the others shown/indexed on line anywhere else?

The Non conformists for Nantwich seem to have been 'lost'.  I welcome any suggestions on how to look up the others in 1790.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM, MLFHS member wrote:

 There are now 36 parishes in the Cheshire PR Project; the Cheshire FHS lists over 400 parishes in Cheshire. Even if they keep to parishes in existence before 1837 there are many more than 36. I presume that their academic objectives could be met with a small sample.

Disley is certainly an ancient parish (1591) and the Registers are at Chester. But they include Poynton which only became a parish in 1871.

On 29/10/2013 13:31, MLFHS member wrote

Hi MLFHS member.  I don't know! This is the preamble to the details, perhaps someone can explain?-

               Project Aspirations
The aim of the project is to make available, in a reasonable period of time, all the information in each of the parish registers of the ancient county of Cheshire. 

This aim covers information in both the original Parish Register (PR) and the Bishop?s Transcript (BT), since despite its name the latter is to some extent an independent source. The period of transcription is from the earliest known entry in each PR and BT up to 1871.

The many problems of consistent transcription that arise when dealing with material on the scale of the estimated twelve million Cheshire PR entries are discussed elsewhere (see under Menu item Instructions then CPR), and these notes supplying essential editorial critique should be always consulted before any interpretation of the data presented is attempted.

 In due course each parish will have a page of Parish Notes available when parish data are accessed, these notes supply e.g., dates of extant PRs and BTs, and refine the General Notes. This page too should be always consulted. The Parish Notes may also indicate information in a PR not directly related to the entries of baptisms, marriages, and burials (e.g. the names of clergy or churchwardens sometimes given at the foot of each page), but as indicated in the General Notes this feature is not comprehensive.

The *data relating to Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials* is available in a
transcribed form. Where the exact form of individual items of information is historically significant (e.g. personal names), the transcription is always literal. For a few other items, where it is economic in transcribing (and because of the limitations of our programme), a code is used, e.g., DA for ?daughter of?). For the codes, see General Notes.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:39 PM, MLFHS member wrote - As all wills were proved in Chester then Disley and Stockport must have been in the Cheshire Diocese.

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Extracted from The Manchester Genealogist, MLFHS issue Volume 34, Number 3 of 1998. “A Manchester 1465 Deed” by Ian McAlpine …

QUOTE - One day in 1997 I visited the Local Studies Unit of Manchester Central Library and noticed on the open shelves a typed hand list of deeds and other documents relating to Manchester Grammar School. Since the school had been founded as far back as 1515 it seemed likely that the collection would contain some Manchester deeds from the early 16th or even 15th century which could contain references to my ancestors, the Ravald family, who were prominent in Manchester during the 15th century.  One of these, Nicholas Ravald (c. 1417 – c.1485), brother of my 16 x greats grandfather, William Ravald was a chaplain at the Collegiate Church from 1442 until his death.

Examination of the hand list soon produced the desired result though in a rather unexpected form. Documents M516/9/2 A & B were two versions of a conveyance from James Chaloner, chaplain and Alice Chaloner to John Chaloner and Ellen Trafford of half a burgate in ‘Milnegate’ (Long Millgate). Since the college buildings (now Chetham Library) in which James Chaloner and his fellow chaplains lived were adjacent to Long Millgate, Chaloner’s ownership of land there was reasonable. The document had been witnessed apparently by Nicholas Rabale, chaplain, and others and was dated 6th August, 1465.

Although the spelling of Nicholas’ surname was peculiar there could be no doubt that I had found another reference to Nicholas Ravald. I immediately asked to see both documents and looked at the Unit’s card index of surnames while I waited for them to arrive. Both deeds were catalogued under Rabale which explained why I had not discovered them when I searched for Ravalds many years earlier.

When the deeds arrived they presented few difficulties. They were both in excellent condition and written in Latin on vellum. It was clear that the archivist who had prepared the hand list had misread Nicholas’ surname which was indeed spelt Ravald in the original 1465 text. This was an easy mistake to  make in view of the handwriting. The deed was dated ‘sexto die Augusti anno regni Edwardi quarti … quinto’ … 6th August in the fifth year of the reign of Edward IV, ie 1465.

Consequently I had almost by chance come across a previously unknown, if admittedly not particularly significant reference to a member of the family who had died more than 500 years ago. Because it had been incorrectly catalogued, this reference had remained unknown to me for years and consequently was omitted from my book on the early history of the Ravalds, published by the Society in 1993.

In early genealogy one soon becomes used to dealing with variant spellings of names. However, in this case a perfectly ‘standard’ spelling was misread to such an extent as to produce a nearly useless entry in the Unit’s catalogue which ensured that the deeds remained hidden from me until 1997. Vigilance has its rewards!  UNQUOTE

I have connected, via research conducted by Cuz Wendy Wroe, the Ravalds of 1565 to this family, and the author of the above article is related to Wroes in Manchester. We might be cousins!!! I’ll write and share any connections identified.
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MLFHS: Cheshire Parish Register Project

On 02/11/2013 16:32, MLFHS member wrote:
I'm going slightly (!) crazy. I found the above site while googling and have tried to read the extremely detailed and complicated instructions/glossary etc, but have failed full comprehension.

Am looking for William HOLLAND born about 1816 in Cheshire. Have found William son of Jarvis HOLLAND a Blacksmith, but I cannot find an uncoded date - not even sure I know which field it should be in. I know this project is by BSc/MSc people at universities, probably doing computer sciences, and the instructions are clearly written for just such as them. But I'm not one of them.

Hi MLFHS member,

The date on the record you found is given as 7330311.  That translates as 11/03/1733 ie the format is YYY/MM/DD they just leave the 1 off the front of the year.

Once you've got the hang of the date, just use the 'database' area of the website.  The search page gives a drop down list of parishes/areas covered and you just put in the first few letters of the surname & use the submit query button.

In the list of results which comes up, you have to select the record you want to look at by clicking on the dot and then the box to the right of it.  That will give you the details.

Hope this helps.
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MLFHS: Old records.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, a MLFHS member wrote:

You could try contacting Staffordshire Record Office or join the Staffordshire Rootsweb e-mail list.  Either of those might be able to tell you which parish records exist and where they are held.

This list seems to be quite active: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/STAFFORDSHIRE.html

I anticipate, and will check, to see if Lancashire equivalents are available.

ENG-LAN-ECCLES Mailing List
ENG-LAN-ECCLES-L
Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in the Parish of Eccles, Lancashire, England. For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at ENG-LAN-ECCLES-admin@rootsweb.com.
MLFHS: Privately published family histories
MLFHS member wrote – Is there a method of tracking down a copy of a privately published family history?

Have you tried ABE Books? They may know of a second-hand copy
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Home-_-Logo

http://www.addall.com/ and http://www.abebooks.co.uk/ are both good sites for out-of-print books.  They won't be cheap but they have a tremendous range of publications available.

I found a free electronic version of a privately printed book on Google Advanced Book Search.  It had been made available by a state library in Australia so the book you are seeking might be there if the author or some interested person had deposited it with a library. Hope this might be of use.

There are online resources that will tell you where copies of publications are held if you know the ISBN  I can't remember which one worked for me, but if you Google a question like "finding publications by ISBN", you will get lots of results. I found an old family history of which there were only 10 copies in existence, by doing that.  The nearest library made copies of the relevant sections for me...for a fee of course.

Digital image preservation -
The library system where I volunteer had a training session recently on Digital Imaging and Preservation. The expert was a Library Of Congress (LOC) staff member who provided many insights and valuable suggestions. AS so many people use Facebook, YouTube, or other web based sites to “post” digital images, it is important that we consider preserving such images for posterity.

This applies to each of us who hope to preserve photographs of family, slides, or movies.  He noted that professional photographers use the 3-2-1 rule.

3 - This states that they (and we) make three copies of the photographs, slides, or
            movies.
2 - Then we copy those to two types of separate media, i.e. DVD, hard drive, USB drive.  1 - Then he (we) save one set of these to another location. This can be a friends or family
            members’ home, a storage locker, or a digital (Cloud) repository.

Another nugget of wisdom was that before doing any resizing or modifications to digital images we save them first, and do any modifications to the copies.

Another nugget of wisdom is that JPEG/JPG files are compressible, and in modifying them in any way some of the digital quality is lost irretrievably. He suggested saving the digital images as TIFF files, a type which is not compressed.

Another nugget of wisdom is that every five to seven years move/copy every bit of your digital images to a newer storage device, media (VHS to CD to DVD to USB to hard drives to Cloud. The expert said he is not strongly influenced by the advisability of using the Cloud or other similar businesses which store digital data.

Another nugget of wisdom is that when scanning images to a digital format use the highest pixel or dots per inch possible. He suggested 300 pixels or DPI for photographs, and 1800 dots per inch for slides.

He suggested identifying digital images by subject, date(s), or other distinctive nomenclature for ease of later review/sharing.

See www.digitalpreservation.gov at the LOC. The LOC has a number of blogs dealing with digital preservation – http://blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation. Many libraries or historical groups conduct seminars or lectures on digital preservation.

Society of the Cincinnati, for some descendants of the Officers in the continental Army (not state militias), plus French officers who fought. Note, this is a very exclusive group, and each State group of the Society administers its allowed number of members quite differently. I understand there were approximately 2000 officers serving under General George Washington. Some of you may be interested and after identifying your family link to one or more of those officers, have to see if there is a current member who represents that officer. After that you work with the state committee of the society to become part of an exclusive group.

http://www.societyofthecincinnati.org/  The Society of the Cincinnati is an historical, hereditary lineage organization with branches in the United States and France, founded in 1783 to preserve the ideals and fellowship of the officers of the Continental Army who served in the American Revolutionary War. The city of Cincinnati, Ohio, then a small village, was named after the Society. Now in its third century, the Society promotes public interest in the American Revolution through its library and museum collections, exhibitions, programs, publications, and other activities. It is the oldest lineage society in North America.

The concept of the Society of the Cincinnati was that of Major General Henry Knox. The first meeting of the Society was held in May 1783 at a dinner at Mount Gulian (Verplanck House) in Fishkill, New York, before the British evacuation from New York City. The meeting was chaired by Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Hamilton, and the participants agreed to stay in contact with each other after the war. Membership was generally limited to officers who had served at least three years in the Continental Army or Navy; it included officers of the French Army and Navy above certain ranks. Officers in the Continental Line who died during the War were also entitled to be recorded as members, and membership would devolve to their eldest male heir. Members of the considerably larger fighting forces comprising the Colonial Militias and Minutemen were not entitled to join the Society.
Later in the 18th century, the Society's rules adopted a system of primogeniture wherein membership was passed down to the eldest son after the death of the original member. Present-day hereditary members generally must be descended from an officer who served in the Continental Army or Navy for at least three years, from an officer who died or was killed in service, or from an officer serving at the close of the Revolution. Each officer may be represented by only one descendant at any given time, following the rules of primogeniture. (The rules of eligibility and admission are controlled by each of the 14 Constituent Societies to which members are admitted. They differ slightly in each society, and some allow more than one descendant of an eligible officer.)(The requirement for primogeniture made the society controversial in its early years, as the new states quickly did away with laws supporting primogeniture and others associated with the English feudal system.)
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MLFHS: Full age at marriage
I realise that "Full age" differentiates between those otherwise free to wed and those for whom parental permission is required to get married.

Has the actual age changed at all in recorded history or has it always been that 16-17 year olds need their parents' permission but that at 18 we become of "full age" ?

I ask because I seem to have numerous ancestors whose marriage is recorded in the Lancashire parish registers with the description "married with parents' permission" but where these people seem to have been over 18 years of age at the time ...

Thanks in advance 
MLFHS: Marriage age in the 1600's ?
According to Colin R. Chapman in his "Marriage Laws, Rites, Records & Customs" the traditional age of consent to marriage was fixed by considerations of the ability to have a fruitful union, i.e., puberty, and was fixed at 12 for girls and 14 for boys. During the Interregnum marital statutes were passed (1653) that shifted the age of consent to 14 for girls and 16 for boys with parental consent still required for those under 21. In 1660 the pre-Civil War matrimonial laws were reinstated and the age of consent went back to 12 for girls and 14 for boys.

MLFHS: Full age at marriage
Until comparatively recently the age for marrying without parental consent was 21 or over.  I think that the change to 18yrs. took place in 1970. This link will explain legal marriage ages pre  1970.

http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/marriages.htm

MLFHS: Visitations of Cheshire 1663
On 18/11/2013 13:38, juno@firecube.co.uk wrote:   Does anyone have an indeed copy of Dugdales report of 1663 please?  Is it on line?

Hello,  I have a copy of the 1663 Visitations of Cheshire, as well as 1580 and 1613.

What are you looking for? Kind regards Jean 13692 Astley, Lancs.

On 18/11/2013 21:52, juno@firecube.co.uk wrote:
Thanks,

I have found the 1613 on a site, and just wanted to check out the later one. I suspect they have the paper copy at the Library. so will give that a go.  It's available on CD.  If you have a look on the Genfair website and put in 'Visitation of Cheshire' (sans quotes), there are a few to choose from.  http://www.genfair.co.uk/search.php?search=visitation+   

MLFHS member

MLFHS: LancashireBMD - New Data (BMD refers to birth, marriage, death data)

At 17:50 20/11/2013, John Marsden wrote: New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows:

Added 16,580 Births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Haslingden (1837-1871; 1883-1884; 1887-1890; 1926-1928; 1936-1954)

Thanks to team for the above.

John neglected to point out that the total number of records in LanBMD has now crossed 18M,[But as a one-name collector I prefer to calculate that there are now 22.26M references to individuals]

Many thanks indeed to all involved in this superb effort.

Received a query from a distant cousin, Kimberly McClintock, the g-g-g granddaughter of Arthur McClintock, who appeared in the Cap Sante, Port Neuf County, Quebec census of 1831.

I responded and asked Kimberly if I could share her contact info and possible connection  as a CUZ.  She answered that I could share her  info, and luck was with us. I put out the follwig cal,to selected cuzzes who are serious family researchers.

Hi Cuzzes,

Merry Christmas ...

I recently received the following from Kimberly McClintock, who I'm guessing is somehow related to us. She contacted me through HICUZ and my Gmail account ... dptolan@gmail.com .

I say guess because my files on McClintocks are very, very old, from late nineties and in a Family Tree Maker format that I no longer have the program for.  So i wanted to let you know about Kim, who is a US Army vet from Iraq and a Registered Nurse living in upsatate NY. She has said it was OK to share her address.

I invite any of you who have McClintock files or who know of family relationships to contact her, and let us all know. I have found a few McCarthy - Hennessey to McClintock ties in St Basil Parish in documents tying them back to Mary Carroll and John McCarthy from earliest Cap Sante immigration.

I shared with Kim several documents  1) web link to an early map of Portneuf county   2) a list of documents Cuz Yves Marcotte of St Basil wrote  and 3) a list of documents available from the St Basile Historical society (Yves is a member and may be President.

I suspect that the McClintocks and all the rest of inhabitants of St Basile, Cap Sante, St Raymond parishes are by now remotely related, but would appreciate finding out if one or more of you know for sure.

And can I share your email addresses with her?

Cuzzes Pat Hall and John Bryne provided family data to Kim and I’m waiting to see how this relationship unfolds.

Received a query from Sue Miller, the g-g-g granddaughter of Edgar Paine, the Master of the ship Josephus on which my grandfather William Joseph Rowe was born in 1853. I sent a reply and offered more specific to Sue on the ship Josephus. Am waiting on a reply. While it would be a stretch to think Sue might be a cuz, it’s nice to know there is interest in the ship our forebear was born on.




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