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MLFHS: Catholic Records Index
I have just updated the Catholic Records Index in the public area of the society web site to include baptisms and marriages for St. Joseph, Ordsall and baptisms for St Augustine, Granby Row.
This index now contains over a third of a million name entries relating to sixteen churches. Full coverage can be seen at: http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_churches.php
The names are those of parties married and children baptised with in many cases the names of witnesses or godparents. The search page is at http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
I have just updated the Catholic Records Index in the public area of the society web site to include baptisms and marriages for St. Joseph, Ordsall and baptisms for St Augustine, Granby Row.
This index now contains over a third of a million name entries relating to sixteen churches. Full coverage can be seen at: http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_churches.php
The names are those of parties married and children baptised with in many cases the names of witnesses or godparents. The search page is at http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
MLFHS:
So do you know why they have elected to only look at those listed? AND are any of the others shown/indexed on line anywhere else?
The Non conformists for Nantwich seem to have been 'lost'. I welcome any suggestions on how to look up the others in 1790.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM, MLFHS member wrote:
There are now 36 parishes in the Cheshire PR
Project; the Cheshire FHS lists over 400 parishes in Cheshire
Disley is certainly an ancient parish (1591) and the Registers are atChester
Disley is certainly an ancient parish (1591) and the Registers are at
On 29/10/2013
13:31, MLFHS member wrote
Hi MLFHS member. I don't know! This is the preamble to the
details, perhaps someone can explain?-
Project Aspirations
The aim of the project is to make available, in a reasonable period of time, all the information in each of the parish registers of the ancientcounty of Cheshire
Project Aspirations
The aim of the project is to make available, in a reasonable period of time, all the information in each of the parish registers of the ancient
This aim covers
information in both the original Parish Register (PR) and the Bishop?s Transcript
(BT), since despite its name the latter is to some extent an independent
source. The period of transcription is from the earliest known entry in each PR
and BT up to 1871.
The many problems
of consistent transcription that arise when dealing with material on the scale
of the estimated twelve million Cheshire PR entries are discussed elsewhere
(see under Menu item Instructions then CPR), and these notes supplying
essential editorial critique should be always consulted before any
interpretation of the data presented is attempted.
In due course each parish will have a page of
Parish Notes available when parish data are accessed, these notes supply e.g.,
dates of extant PRs and BTs, and refine the General Notes. This page too should
be always consulted. The Parish Notes may also indicate information in a PR not
directly related to the entries of baptisms, marriages, and burials (e.g. the
names of clergy or churchwardens sometimes given at the foot of each page), but
as indicated in the General Notes this feature is not comprehensive.
The *data relating to Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials* is available in a
transcribed form. Where the exact form of individual items of information is historically significant (e.g. personal names), the transcription is always literal. For a few other items, where it is economic in transcribing (and because of the limitations of our programme), a code is used, e.g., DA for ?daughter of?). For the codes, see General Notes.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:39 PM, MLFHS member wrote - As all wills were proved inChester then
Disley and Stockport must have been in the
Cheshire Diocese.
The *data relating to Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials* is available in a
transcribed form. Where the exact form of individual items of information is historically significant (e.g. personal names), the transcription is always literal. For a few other items, where it is economic in transcribing (and because of the limitations of our programme), a code is used, e.g., DA for ?daughter of?). For the codes, see General Notes.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:39 PM, MLFHS member wrote - As all wills were proved in
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Extracted from The Manchester Genealogist, MLFHS issue
Volume 34, Number 3 of 1998. “A Manchester
1465 Deed” by Ian McAlpine …
QUOTE - One day in 1997 I visited the Local Studies Unit of
Manchester Central Library and noticed on the open shelves a typed hand list of
deeds and other documents relating to Manchester Grammar School Manchester deeds
from the early 16th or even 15th century which could
contain references to my ancestors, the Ravald family, who were prominent in Manchester during the 15th
century. One of these, Nicholas Ravald
(c. 1417 – c.1485), brother of my 16 x greats grandfather, William Ravald was a
chaplain at the Collegiate Church from 1442 until his death.
Examination of the hand list soon produced the desired
result though in a rather unexpected form. Documents M516/9/2 A & B were
two versions of a conveyance from James Chaloner, chaplain and Alice Chaloner
to John Chaloner and Ellen Trafford of half a burgate in ‘Milnegate’ (Long Millgate).
Since the college buildings (now Chetham Library) in which James Chaloner and
his fellow chaplains lived were adjacent to Long Millgate, Chaloner’s ownership
of land there was reasonable. The document had been witnessed apparently by
Nicholas Rabale, chaplain, and others and was dated 6th August,
1465.
Although the spelling of Nicholas’ surname was peculiar
there could be no doubt that I had found another reference to Nicholas Ravald.
I immediately asked to see both documents and looked at the Unit’s card index
of surnames while I waited for them to arrive. Both deeds were catalogued under
Rabale which explained why I had not discovered them when I searched for
Ravalds many years earlier.
When the deeds arrived they presented few difficulties. They
were both in excellent condition and written in Latin on vellum. It was clear
that the archivist who had prepared the hand list had misread Nicholas’ surname
which was indeed spelt Ravald in the original 1465 text. This was an easy
mistake to make in view of the
handwriting. The deed was dated ‘sexto die Augusti anno regni Edwardi quarti …
quinto’ … 6th August in the fifth year of the reign of Edward IV, ie
1465.
Consequently I had almost by chance come across a previously
unknown, if admittedly not particularly significant reference to a member of
the family who had died more than 500 years ago. Because it had been
incorrectly catalogued, this reference had remained unknown to me for years and
consequently was omitted from my book on the early history of the Ravalds,
published by the Society in 1993.
In early genealogy one soon becomes used to dealing with
variant spellings of names. However, in this case a perfectly ‘standard’
spelling was misread to such an extent as to produce a nearly useless entry in
the Unit’s catalogue which ensured that the deeds remained hidden from me until
1997. Vigilance has its rewards! UNQUOTE
I have connected, via research conducted by Cuz Wendy Wroe,
the Ravalds of 1565 to this family, and the author of the above article is
related to Wroes in Manchester .
We might be cousins!!! I’ll write and share any connections identified.
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MLFHS: Cheshire
On 02/11/2013 16:32, MLFHS member wrote:
I'm going slightly (!) crazy. I found the above site while googling and have tried to read the extremely detailed and complicated instructions/glossary etc, but have failed full comprehension.
Am looking for William HOLLAND born about 1816 in Cheshire. Have found William son of Jarvis HOLLAND a Blacksmith, but I cannot find an uncoded date - not even sure I know which field it should be in. I know this project is by BSc/MSc people at universities, probably doing computer sciences, and the instructions are clearly written for just such as them. But I'm not one of them.
Hi MLFHS member,
The date on the record you found is given as 7330311. That translates as 11/03/1733 ie the format is YYY/MM/DD they just leave the 1 off the front of the year.
Once you've got the hang of the date, just use the 'database' area of the website. The search page gives a drop down list of parishes/areas covered and you just put in the first few letters of the surname & use the submit query button.
In the list of results which comes up, you have to select the record you want to look at by clicking on the dot and then the box to the right of it. That will give you the details.
Hope this helps.
On 02/11/2013 16:32, MLFHS member wrote:
I'm going slightly (!) crazy. I found the above site while googling and have tried to read the extremely detailed and complicated instructions/glossary etc, but have failed full comprehension.
Am looking for William HOLLAND born about 1816 in Cheshire. Have found William son of Jarvis HOLLAND a Blacksmith, but I cannot find an uncoded date - not even sure I know which field it should be in. I know this project is by BSc/MSc people at universities, probably doing computer sciences, and the instructions are clearly written for just such as them. But I'm not one of them.
Hi MLFHS member,
The date on the record you found is given as 7330311. That translates as 11/03/1733 ie the format is YYY/MM/DD they just leave the 1 off the front of the year.
Once you've got the hang of the date, just use the 'database' area of the website. The search page gives a drop down list of parishes/areas covered and you just put in the first few letters of the surname & use the submit query button.
In the list of results which comes up, you have to select the record you want to look at by clicking on the dot and then the box to the right of it. That will give you the details.
Hope this helps.
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MLFHS: Old records.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, a MLFHS member wrote:
You could try contacting Staffordshire Record Office or join the Staffordshire Rootsweb e-mail list. Either of those might be able to tell you which parish records exist and where they are held.
MLFHS: Old records.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM, a MLFHS member wrote:
You could try contacting Staffordshire Record Office or join the Staffordshire Rootsweb e-mail list. Either of those might be able to tell you which parish records exist and where they are held.
This list seems
to be quite active: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/STAFFORDSHIRE.html
I anticipate, and will check, to see if Lancashire
equivalents are available.
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MLFHS: Privately published family
histories
MLFHS member wrote – Is there a method of tracking down a copy of a privately published family history?
MLFHS member wrote – Is there a method of tracking down a copy of a privately published family history?
Have you tried ABE
Books? They may know of a second-hand copy
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Home-_-Logo
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-Home-_-Logo
http://www.addall.com/ and http://www.abebooks.co.uk/ are both good sites for out-of-print books. They won't be cheap but they have a tremendous range of publications available.
I found a free electronic version of a privately printed book on Google Advanced Book Search. It had been made available by a state library in Australia so the book you are seeking might be there if the author or some interested person had deposited it with a library. Hope this might be of use.
There are online resources that will tell you where copies of
publications are held if you know the ISBN I can't remember which one
worked for me, but if you Google a question like "finding publications by
ISBN", you will get lots of results. I found an old family history of
which there were only 10 copies in existence, by doing that. The nearest
library made copies of the relevant sections for me...for a fee of course.
Digital image preservation -
The library
system where I volunteer had a training session recently on Digital Imaging and
Preservation. The expert was a Library Of Congress (LOC) staff member who
provided many insights and valuable suggestions. AS so many people use
Facebook, YouTube, or other web based sites to “post” digital images, it is important
that we consider preserving such images for posterity.
This applies to
each of us who hope to preserve photographs of family, slides, or movies. He noted that professional photographers use
the 3-2-1 rule.
3 - This states that they (and we) make three copies of the photographs, slides, or
movies.
2 - Then we copy those to
two types of separate media, i.e. DVD, hard drive, USB drive. 1 - Then he (we) save one set of these to another location. This can be a friends
or family
members’
home, a storage locker, or a digital (Cloud) repository.
Another nugget of
wisdom was that before doing any resizing or modifications to digital images we
save them first, and do any modifications to the copies.
Another nugget of
wisdom is that JPEG/JPG files are compressible, and in modifying them in any
way some of the digital quality is lost irretrievably. He suggested saving the
digital images as TIFF files, a type which is not compressed.
Another nugget of
wisdom is that every five to seven years move/copy every bit of your digital
images to a newer storage device, media (VHS to CD to DVD to USB to hard drives
to Cloud. The expert said he is not strongly influenced by the advisability of
using the Cloud or other similar businesses which store digital data.
Another nugget of
wisdom is that when scanning images to a digital format use the highest pixel
or dots per inch possible. He suggested 300 pixels or DPI for photographs, and
1800 dots per inch for slides.
He suggested
identifying digital images by subject, date(s), or other distinctive
nomenclature for ease of later review/sharing.
See www.digitalpreservation.gov at the LOC. The LOC has a number of blogs
dealing with digital preservation – http://blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation. Many libraries or historical groups
conduct seminars or lectures on digital preservation.
Society of the Cincinnati, for some descendants of the Officers in
the continental Army (not state militias), plus French officers who fought.
Note, this is a very exclusive group, and each State group of the Society
administers its allowed number of members quite differently. I understand there
were approximately 2000 officers serving under General George Washington. Some
of you may be interested and after identifying your family link to one or more
of those officers, have to see if there is a current member who represents that
officer. After that you work with the state committee of the society to become
part of an exclusive group.
http://www.societyofthecincinnati.org/ The Society of the Cincinnati is an historical, hereditary lineage
organization with branches in the United States and France, founded in 1783 to preserve the ideals and fellowship of the officers
of the Continental Army who served in the American
Revolutionary War. The
city of Cincinnati, Ohio, then a small village, was named after
the Society. Now in its third century, the Society promotes public interest in
the American Revolution through its library and museum collections,
exhibitions, programs, publications, and other activities. It is the oldest lineage society in North America.
The concept of the Society of the
Cincinnati was that of Major General Henry Knox. The first meeting of the Society
was held in May 1783 at a dinner at Mount Gulian (Verplanck
House) in Fishkill, New York,
before the British evacuation from
New York City. The meeting was chaired by Lieutenant
Colonel Alexander Hamilton,
and the participants agreed to stay in contact with each other after the war.
Membership was generally limited to officers who had served at least three years in
the Continental Army or Navy; it included officers of the French Army and Navy above certain ranks. Officers in the Continental Line who
died during the War were also entitled to be recorded as members, and
membership would devolve to their eldest male heir. Members of the considerably
larger fighting forces comprising the Colonial Militias and Minutemen were
not entitled to join the Society.
Later in the 18th century, the
Society's rules adopted a system of primogeniture wherein membership was passed down to
the eldest son after the death of the original member. Present-day hereditary
members generally must be descended from an officer who served in the
Continental Army or Navy for at least three years, from an officer who died or
was killed in service, or from an officer serving at the close of the Revolution.
Each officer may be represented by only one descendant at any given time,
following the rules of primogeniture. (The rules of eligibility and
admission are controlled by each of the 14 Constituent Societies to which
members are admitted. They differ slightly in each society, and some allow more
than one descendant of an eligible officer.)(The requirement for primogeniture
made the society controversial in its early years, as the new states quickly
did away with laws supporting primogeniture and others associated with the
English feudal system.)
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MLFHS: Full age at marriage
I realise that "Full age" differentiates between those otherwise free to wed and those for whom parental permission is required to get married.
Has the actual age changed at all in recorded history or has it always been that 16-17 year olds need their parents' permission but that at 18 we become of "full age" ?
I ask because I seem to have numerous ancestors whose marriage is recorded in the Lancashire parish registers with the description "married with parents' permission" but where these people seem to have been over 18 years of age at the time ...
Thanks in advance
MLFHS: Full age at marriage
I realise that "Full age" differentiates between those otherwise free to wed and those for whom parental permission is required to get married.
Has the actual age changed at all in recorded history or has it always been that 16-17 year olds need their parents' permission but that at 18 we become of "full age" ?
I ask because I seem to have numerous ancestors whose marriage is recorded in the Lancashire parish registers with the description "married with parents' permission" but where these people seem to have been over 18 years of age at the time ...
Thanks in advance
MLFHS: Marriage age in the 1600's ?
According to
Colin R. Chapman in his "Marriage Laws, Rites, Records & Customs"
the traditional age of consent to marriage was fixed by considerations of the
ability to have a fruitful union, i.e., puberty, and was fixed at 12 for girls
and 14 for boys. During the Interregnum marital statutes were passed (1653)
that shifted the age of consent to 14 for girls and 16 for boys with parental
consent still required for those under 21. In 1660 the pre-Civil War
matrimonial laws were reinstated and the age of consent went back to 12 for
girls and 14 for boys.
MLFHS: Full age at marriage
Until comparatively recently the age for marrying without parental consent was 21 or over. I think that the change to 18yrs. took place in 1970. This link will explain legal marriage ages pre 1970.
http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/marriages.htm
Until comparatively recently the age for marrying without parental consent was 21 or over. I think that the change to 18yrs. took place in 1970. This link will explain legal marriage ages pre 1970.
http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/marriages.htm
MLFHS: Visitations of Cheshire 1663
On 18/11/2013
13:38, juno@firecube.co.uk wrote: Does anyone have an indeed copy of Dugdales
report of 1663 please? Is it on line?
Hello, I have a copy of the 1663 Visitations of Cheshire, as well as 1580 and 1613.
What are you looking for? Kind regards Jean 13692 Astley, Lancs.
On 18/11/2013 21:52, juno@firecube.co.uk wrote:
Thanks,
Hello, I have a copy of the 1663 Visitations of Cheshire, as well as 1580 and 1613.
What are you looking for? Kind regards Jean 13692 Astley, Lancs.
On 18/11/2013 21:52, juno@firecube.co.uk wrote:
Thanks,
I have found the
1613 on a site, and just wanted to check out the later one. I suspect they have
the paper copy at the Library. so will give that a go. It's available
on CD. If you have a look on the Genfair website and put in 'Visitation of Cheshire' (sans quotes), there are a
few to choose from. http://www.genfair.co.uk/search.php?search=visitation+
MLFHS member
MLFHS: LancashireBMD - New Data (BMD refers to birth, marriage, death data)
At 17:50 20/11/2013, John Marsden wrote: New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows:
At 17:50 20/11/2013, John Marsden wrote: New data has been added at www.lancashirebmd.org.uk as follows:
Added 16,580 Births for Hyndburn RD comprising: Haslingden (1837-1871;
1883-1884; 1887-1890; 1926-1928; 1936-1954)
Thanks to team for the above.
John neglected to point out that the total number of records in LanBMD has now crossed 18M,[But as a one-name collector I prefer to calculate that there are now 22.26M references to individuals]
Many thanks indeed to all involved in this superb effort.
Thanks to team for the above.
John neglected to point out that the total number of records in LanBMD has now crossed 18M,[But as a one-name collector I prefer to calculate that there are now 22.26M references to individuals]
Many thanks indeed to all involved in this superb effort.
Received a query
from a distant cousin, Kimberly McClintock, the g-g-g granddaughter of Arthur
McClintock, who appeared in the Cap Sante, Port Neuf County, Quebec census of
1831.
I responded and asked Kimberly if
I could share her contact info and possible connection as a CUZ.
She answered that I could share her info, and luck was with us. I put out the
follwig cal,to selected cuzzes who are serious family researchers.
Hi Cuzzes,
Merry Christmas ...
I recently received the following
from Kimberly McClintock, who I'm guessing is somehow related to us. She
contacted me through HICUZ and my Gmail account ... dptolan@gmail.com .
I say guess because my files on
McClintocks are very, very old, from late nineties and in a Family Tree Maker
format that I no longer have the program for. So i wanted to let you know
about Kim, who is a US Army vet from Iraq and a Registered Nurse living in
upsatate NY. She has said it was OK to share her address.
I invite any of you who have
McClintock files or who know of family relationships to contact her, and let us
all know. I have found a few McCarthy - Hennessey to McClintock ties in St
Basil Parish in documents tying them back to Mary Carroll and John McCarthy
from earliest Cap Sante immigration.
I shared with Kim several
documents 1) web link to an early map of Portneuf county
2) a list of documents Cuz Yves Marcotte of St Basil wrote and 3) a list
of documents available from the St Basile Historical society (Yves is a member
and may be President.
I suspect that the McClintocks and
all the rest of inhabitants of St Basile, Cap Sante, St Raymond parishes are by
now remotely related, but would appreciate finding out if one or more of you
know for sure.
And can I share your email
addresses with her?
Cuzzes Pat Hall
and John Bryne provided family data to Kim and I’m waiting to see how this
relationship unfolds.
Received a query
from Sue Miller, the g-g-g granddaughter of Edgar Paine, the Master of the ship
Josephus
on which my grandfather William Joseph Rowe was born in 1853. I sent a reply
and offered more specific to Sue on the ship Josephus. Am waiting on a
reply. While it would be a stretch to think Sue might be a cuz, it’s nice to
know there is interest in the ship our forebear was born on.
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