Wednesday, January 8, 2014

Blog Post 105


HI CUZ Blog 105
Copyright 1990 et seq, Donald Rowe
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Another find turned out to be a bust. It was a Family tree on Ancestry which was incorrect. A Wroe family tree alleged a relation to James Wroe, brother to my great grandfather Thomas Wroe/Rowe. James (and Thomas were children of the Richard identified just above) appeared in a Family Tree under the heading of a “Baron Family Tree” – with erroneous data. The incorrect tree showed the incorrect wife of James, for whom I previously found the marriage of – to Mary Ann Porter. The source email link for the Baron Tree was “harmonicable” but no ISP (ie Yahoo.com, AOL.com, etc) was identified. I look for trees, as they may provide a link to living Wroes.

Data for James Wroe burial – This is a different James, son of a James and Elizabeth Wroe.
Name:
James Wroe
Age:
66
Burial Date:
23 Apr 1837
Parish:
Cheetham, St Mark
Parish as it Appears:
Cheetham
Reference Number:
GB127.M387/1/3/6

Future Wroe research - I am endeavoring to identify siblings in each generation of my/our Wroes, to assist in eventually finding living Wroe cuzzes across the pond. Wish me luck!

Notes from Wendy Wroe, of Hertsfordshire England – of the Lancashire County migration pattern of Wroes near Manchester. 

In 1600s the Wroes were principally in Prestwich and Radcliffe.  Perhaps the Wroes of Westminster County, Virginia came from this area and timeframe.

In the 1700s they were moving from Prestwich to Eccles and Salford; from Radcliffe to Broughton and Manchester, and to Prestwich and Oldham.

In the 1800s Those who were in Eccles had moved to Manchester or stayed in Eccles. Many in Salford earlier remained there, or moved to Broughton, Prestwich or Oldham. Those who had been in Prestwich/Oldham in prior period moved to Middleton, Ashton on Lyne, or other areas.

MLFHS assistance request – MIs of St Mary’s, St Marks and links to other in and around Manchester. Also interpretation of “SRiSt bton” and Miln gats” as places names.

To: Donald Rowe <rowboatdon@yahoo.com>, forum
    <
forum@list.mlfhs.org.uk>
Subject: Re: MLFHS: Request help in research
Hi Don
Go to MLFHS website, log in to Member Area, members only database. There 
is an index to MI's which includes St.Mark, Cheetham. St.Marys doesn't 
seem to be there but I have a listing (incomplete project!). If you give 
me a name I will check it.
Geoff

On 26/08/2013 22:06, Donald Rowe wrote:
MLFHS assistance request ? Am trying to identify Internet link to Monumental Inscriptions (MIs) of St Mary?s, St Marks and links to other in and around Manchester. Also interpretation of ?SRiSt bton? and Miln gats? as Manchester area places names.

Thanks, Don

MLFHS member Geoffrey Edge responded and provided in valuable MI data.

Plot numbers 200, 201, and 202 at St Mary’s were augmented by data (again from the Owens Manuscript) for
Plot 198 – “In memory of Ann, Wife of J. B. Wroe died May 21, 1819 Aged 30 years.”
Plot 199 – “H.R. William Blomley who died Aug 11th 1774 in the 39th year of his Age. 
            Elizabeth his Wife who died June 1st 1789 Aged 51. Alice, Dau of Wm and
            Elizabeth Blomeley who died Jan 1st 1775 Aged 5M”
            (Elizabeth Blomeley’s maiden name was Wroe)
Plot 649 – H.R. Richard Wroe died 22 April 1831 aged 62 years. Also Susanna Dau of
            Richard & Susannah Wroe died Dec 22 1798 Aged 9M. Also James their son died
Oct 13 1802 Aged 4M. Also John their Son died At 29.”
            Plot 799 – “Ellen Relict (Widow) of the late James Wroe of Manchester Ob March 1,
1784 At 30. Also Thomas Blomeley died Sep 11 1798 Aged 45 years. Also
Elizabeth his wife died Dec 2, 1798 Aged 31 years. Ann, Dau of Thomas and Eliz
Blomeley buried 6 Feb 1791 Aged 3Y & 10 M. Also Jas their son bur Jan 19,
1793 Aged 9 M. Also Esther Fisher their Dau. Died Nov 19, 1798 Aged 9 Y.”

Another interesting bit or two – I went searching for Peter Wroe, as this was a son of Richard and Mary Wroe of Kersal. I found the christening of Peter on 22 August 1723, as the son of Richard, linen weaver, and Mary of Kersal … in Prestwich, St Mary’s Parish.

Also found Thomas, son of Richard Wroe of Kersal, christened 22 May 1717 at Prestwich, St Mary’s parish.

Also found Mary, dau of Richard Woe, Husbandman and Mary his wife, of Kersal, christened 31 May 1726 at Prestwich, St Mary’s parish.

I later found a Peter Wroe in then rolls of the Chelsea Pensioner Registers of Soldiers who served in Canada, 1743 – 1882, page 233. Here was a Peter Wroe, born Manchester, age 37 on 23 March 1762, who served 18 years in the 24th Regiment of Foot and lost his left arm in battle. I recall the 24th Regt of Foot as a re-enactor group representing soldiers from our Revolutionary War, but the time period is before of Revolutionary War. This is not the Peter found above (not direct line).

Also found data scanned into Ancestry.com for Wroes in 1633, 1635, 1666 and several subsequent years which may link to our line. More work to do … much more.

Richard Wroe, son of William Wroe, buried 20 Jan 1633 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard Wroe of Cromsall buried 25 May 1635 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard, son of John Wroe of Manchester christened 17 June 1666 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard Wroe, son of John & Eliz Wroe of Shriftbton christened 3 Oct 1680 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Richard, son of William Wroe of Kersall christened 11 Feb 1683 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.

Joseph, son of Peter Wroe of Kersall, christened 19 Dec 1682 at Manchester Cathedral/St Mary’s.


Subject: Re: MLFHS: Cheshire Tithe Maps etc

Yes it is a great site, I discovered that my ggggfathers cottage was next
to (built from? ) the site of an old moated manor farm. Clearly seen in the
aerial photographs as  marks in the land.

Both cottage and manor have long gone, The gates and marks though are clear
to see in the various photos and tithe maps.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Malcolm Elliot <


> Those who have an interest in neighbouring Cheshire may like to know about
> a very useful website for the county, which shows tithe maps alongside
> modern equivalents:  
http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/**tithemaps/<http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/>
> Just enter a postcode and it shows the two comparative maps side by side,
> and the views can readily be moved too.  There are also several other
> options for maps and aerial photos from other eras.
> I'm not aware of an equivalent website for Lancashire, but I was most
> impressed by this one - I hope others may also find it of interest.
>
> Malcolm Elliot


Subject: MLFHS: Scottish Record Societyi

Dear All,

Many moons ago [24 Jun 2009], member
 wrote, on the
SCT-FIFE@rootsweb.com List:
"Scottish Record Society"
As you know these folks are the keepers of the past.  Their publications are available
online through the Internet Archive.

This link will take you to 55 of their publications.  They are old, cover most of Scotland
and include a range of material including Burgesses & Guild Brethren of Glasgow 1751-1846,
Testaments, Births, Burials from the 16th -19th century.  Unfortunately there is no index
for the 55 publications you will have to click on the top link of each one to view them. 
You can view these books online or download to your computer.

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Scottish%20Record%20Society%2C%20Edinburgh%22

Please feel free to forward this post to other Scottish Mailing Lists.


Port Dover, ON CA

Today, having nothing much better to do, I looked at this URL and found I had to open each
of the 57 entries to find its title. To save others the same trouble, I have appended the
books belwo my signature. I've done it twice; firstly in the order they appear, secondly
in numerical Vol. no. order. Any text after dates is mine, and is information re placename
or a cross-referenceto another volume 'hit'.
NB. Vol. number is that of the Website, not the SRS volume number (there isn't one).

As Don wrote, feel free to forward this to other Scottish Mailing Lists.

Cheers,

-------------------------------
Scottish Record Society, Edinburgh

Vol. 53    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1781-1841 [See Vol.46]
Vol. 29    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    Ayr (& Lanarkshire)
Vol. 49    Protocol Book of John Foular  9 Mar 1500/1-18 Sep 1503    Edinburgh
Vol. 44    Protocol Book of James Foulis & Nicol Thounis  1546-1553 & 1559-1564    Linlithgow
Vol. 48    Protocol Book of Sir John Cristisone  1518-1551    Sth. Aberdeenshire & Nth.
Kincardineshire
Vol. 37    Episcopal Ch. at St. Andrews: Register of Births, Marriages  1722-1787
Vol. 10    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 54    The Binns Papers  1320-1864    Linlithgow area
[Unnumbered #1; between v.54 & v.28]    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714 [Duplicate of
Vol.40]
Vol. 28    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1583-1666    [See Vol.47]
Vol. 50    Protocol Book of Sir Robert Rollok  1534-1552    Perth/Perthshire
Vol. 18    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    [Duplicate of Vol.29]
Vol. 30    Inventory of Documents of Scrymgeour Estates  1611    Dundee
Vol. 20    Restalrig Churchyard Burials  1728-1854    Sth. Leith
Vol. 52    Inventory of Pitferrane Writs  1230-1794    Dunfermline
Vol.  1    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.I  1514-1600  
Vol. 47    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1666-1700    [See Vol.28]
Vol. 42    Calendar of Writs, Yester House  1166-1625    Gifford, East Lothian
Vol.  3    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.III  1701-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Stirling: Register of Testaments  1607-1800
Vol. 27    Protocol Book of Sir William Corbet  1529-1555    Roxburghshire & Berwickshire
Vol. 43    Roll of Glasgow Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1573-1750
Vol. 14    Chapel Royal, Abbey of Holyroodhouse: Burial Register  1706-1900
Vol. 25    Protocol Book of Sir Alexander Gaw  1540-1558    [Commissariot of St. Andrews?]
Vol.  9    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Testaments  1674-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Lanark: Register of Testaments  1595-1800
Vol. 40    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714    [Duplicate of 'Unnumbered #1']
[Unnumbered #2; between vols.40 & 11]    Holyrood or Canongate parish: Register of Marriages 
1564-1800
Vol. 11    Commissariot of Moray: Register of Testaments  1684-1800
Vol. 15    Greyfriars Burying ground: Register of Interments  1658-1700
Vol.  2    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.II  1601-1700
Vol. 41    Kilbarchan parish register of Baptisms & Marriages  1649-1772
Vol. 54    Lamont [family] papers  1231-1897    Inveryne, Argyle
Vol. 21    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Inventories  1693-1702
Vol. 26    Durness parish register  1764-1814
Vol. 35    St. Cuthbert, Edinburgh: Monumental Inscriptions  [publ. 1915]
Vol. 22    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Consistorial Processes & Decreets  1658-1800
Vol. 19    Tillydesk & Bairnie Chapels: Baptismal Register  1763-1801    Ellon, Aberdeenshire
Vol. 46    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1406-1700    [See Vol.53]
Vol. 32, pt.1-2    Dunfermline parish registers  1561-1700
Vol. 55    Register of Burgesses of Burgh of Canongate  27 Jun 1622-25 Sep 1733    Edinburgh
Vol.  8    Commissariot of St. Andrews: Register of Testaments  1549-1800
Vol. 23    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1701-1750
Vol. 40    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1751-1800
Vol. 38    Wigtownshire & Minnigaff: Parish Lists  1684
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol. 16    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1595-1700
Vol.  6    Commissariot of Aberdeen: Register of Testaments  1715-1800
Vol. 45    Hunters of Hunterston family papers  1296-1908
Vol. 18    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 36    Canisbay parish registers  1652-1666    Caithness
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol.  4    Commissariot of Inverness: Register of Testaments  16301-1800
Vol.  7    Commissariot of Glasgow: Register of Testaments  1547-1800
Vol. 31    Protocol Book of Mr. Gilbert Grote  1552-1573    All over Scotland
Vol.  5    Commissariot of Hamilton: Register of Testaments  1564-1800
Vol. 39    Protocol Books of Dominus Thomas Johnsoun  1528-1578
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Unnumbered #1; between v.54 & v.28]    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714 [Duplicate of
Vol.40]
[Unnumbered #2; between vols.40 & 11]    Holyrood or Canongate parish: Register of Marriages 
1564-1800
Vol.  1    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.I  1514-1600  
Vol.  2    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.II  1601-1700
Vol.  3    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Register of Testaments, Pt.III  1701-1800
Vol.  4    Commissariot of Inverness: Register of Testaments  16301-1800
Vol.  5    Commissariot of Hamilton: Register of Testaments  1564-1800
Vol.  6    Commissariot of Aberdeen: Register of Testaments  1715-1800
Vol.  7    Commissariot of Glasgow: Register of Testaments  1547-1800
Vol.  8    Commissariot of St. Andrews: Register of Testaments  1549-1800
Vol.  9    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Testaments  1674-1800
Vol. 10    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 11    Commissariot of Moray: Register of Testaments  1684-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Stirling: Register of Testaments  1607-1800
Vol. 12    Commissariot of Lanark: Register of Testaments  1595-1800
Vol. 14    Chapel Royal, Abbey of Holyroodhouse: Burial register  1706-1900
Vol. 15    Greyfriars Burying ground: Register of Interments  1658-1700
Vol. 16    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1595-1700
Vol. 18    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    [Duplicate of Vol.29]
Vol. 18    Commissariot of Lauder: Register of Testaments  1561-1800
Vol. 19    Tillydesk & Bairnie Chapels: Baptismal Register  1763-1801    Ellon, Aberdeenshire
Vol. 20    Restalrig Churchyard Burials  1728-1854    Sth. Leith
Vol. 21    Commissariot of Argyle: Register of Inventories  1693-1702
Vol. 22    Commissariot of Edinburgh: Consistorial Processes & Decreets  1658-1800
Vol. 23    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1701-1750
Vol. 25    Protocol Book of Sir Alexander Gaw  1540-1558    [Commissariot of St. Andrews?]
Vol. 26    Durness parish register  1764-1814
Vol. 27    Protocol Book of Sir William Corbet  1529-1555    Roxburghshire & Berwickshire
Vol. 28    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1583-1666    [See Vol.47]
Vol. 29    Protocol Book of Gavin Ros, N.P.  1512-1532    Ayr (& Lanarkshire)
Vol. 30    Inventory of Documents of Scrymgeour Estates  1611    Dundee
Vol. 31    Protocol Book of Mr. Gilbert Grote  1552-1573    All over Scotland
Vol. 32, pt.1-2    Dunfermline parish registers  1561-1700
Vol. 35    St. Cuthbert, Edinburgh: Monumental Inscriptions  [publ. 1915]
Vol. 36    Canisbay parish registers  1652-1666    Caithness
Vol. 37    Episcopal Ch. at St. Andrews: Register of Births, Marriages  1722-1787
Vol. 38    Wigtownshire & Minnigaff: Parish Lists  1684
Vol. 39    Protocol Books of Dominus Thomas Johnsoun  1528-1578
Vol. 40    Torphichen parish registers  1673-1714    [Duplicate of 'Unnumbered #1']
Vol. 40    Edinburgh parish register: Marriages  1751-1800
Vol. 41    Kilbarchan parish register of Baptisms & Marriages  1649-1772
Vol. 42    Calendar of Writs, Yester House  1166-1625    Gifford, East Lothian
Vol. 43    Roll of Glasgow Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1573-1750
Vol. 44    Protocol Book of James Foulis & Nicol Thounis  1546-1553 & 1559-1564    Linlithgow
Vol. 45    Hunters of Hunterston family papers  1296-1908
Vol. 46    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1406-1700    [See Vol.53]
Vol. 47    Register of Apprentices, Edinburgh  1666-1700    [See Vol.28]
Vol. 48    Protocol Book of Sir John Cristisone  1518-1551    Sth. Aberdeenshire & Nth.
Kincardineshire
Vol. 49    Protocol Book of John Foular  9 Mar 1500/1-18 Sep 1503    Edinburgh
Vol. 50    Protocol Book of Sir Robert Rollok  1534-1552    Perth/Perthshire
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol. 51    Glasgow: Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1751-1846    [Duplicate entry]
Vol. 52    Inventory of Pitferrane Writs  1230-1794    Dunfermline
Vol. 53    Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses & Guild Brethren  1781-1841 [See Vol.46]
Vol. 54    The Binns Papers  1320-1864    Linlithgow area
Vol. 54    Lamont [family] papers  1231-1897    Inveryne, Argyle
Vol. 55    Register of Burgesses of Burgh of Canongate  27 Jun 1622-25 Sep 1733    Edinburgh

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